Episode 595
From Friendship to Collaboration: Unpacking the New Album with Never Meet Your Heroes
We had a blast chatting with the crew from Never Meet Your Heroes about their exciting new album release! This episode is a fantastic mix of music, inspiration, and poetry, with BS Raps returning to the show and our new buddy Dre joining in for the first time. We dive deep into what fuels their creativity and how their unique styles come together to create something fresh and vibrant. It's all about breaking down the barriers of traditional music-making and embracing the beautiful chaos of collaboration. So, whether you’re a music junkie or just looking for some inspiration, this episode is packed with good vibes and a whole lot of fun!
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Takeaways:
- Never Meet Your Heroes dives into the complex relationship between artists and their inspirations, emphasizing that idols can often disappoint.
- Dre's first appearance on the podcast brings a fresh perspective as we discuss the blend of music and poetry in their creative process.
- The conversation highlights the importance of collaboration in music, with both BS Raps and Dre sharing how they bounce ideas off each other.
- They explore the theme of community in the Winnipeg music scene, emphasizing support for local artists and the unique sounds they bring.
- The duo's new album reflects their growth and experimentation, merging their individual styles into a cohesive and exciting project.
- Listeners are encouraged to embrace vulnerability in their artistry, as both guests share their personal journeys and the importance of staying true to one's voice.
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Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Pismo
- La Jola
- BS Raps
- Dre
- Van Halen
- Eddie Van Halen
- Alcadrae
- Tyler Duke
- Fourth Quarter Records
- Studio 393
- Graffiti Parks
- Lipstick 45
- Sully
- Osani
- Ranger System
- CJ
- Tannis K8
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Speaker A:So we have a returning guest and a new guest, which I'm kind of excited about.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I can't remember how many times this guy's been on our show, but it's been a shit ton of times.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's an OG of the show now.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:I consider him a good friend and he's an incredible musician.
Speaker A:I want to welcome BS Raps and Dre.
Speaker B:Always a pleasure, gentlemen.
Speaker B:Always a pleasure.
Speaker C:Good to be here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So, Dre, are you nervous?
Speaker A:Like, you know, like coming on like such a tenured show or such an old folks show?
Speaker C:I think nerves are a sign that you care and.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm a little.
Speaker C:I got a little bit of nerves here and there.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker E:So is that your studio?
Speaker E:I noticed you get your.
Speaker B:Your.
Speaker E:Not sonics, but whatever the.
Speaker C:Yeah, call.
Speaker C:Call it.
Speaker C:Call it the.
Speaker C:The echo chamber.
Speaker C:Yeah, you try and soften a little bit of that, you know, and we.
Speaker C:We do the recordings here sometimes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, home studio.
Speaker B:He's got some high ceilings in here.
Speaker B:You can't see it, but, my God, these sound just bounces off these walls.
Speaker E:You don't have any on the ceiling?
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker E:You don't have them on the ceiling?
Speaker C:No, not that I could.
Speaker B:We can't reach that high, man.
Speaker C:Gotta get a ladder.
Speaker A:Todd could reach that high.
Speaker A:So if you need to put anything up there, toddle, just reach and put them up there for you.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker E:I've got some.
Speaker E:I've got some overhead from me, actually, but my.
Speaker E:My ceiling isn't.
Speaker E:Isn't that tall.
Speaker C:It's a good problem to have.
Speaker C:It's better than, you know, having to bend over or slouch in the basement.
Speaker C:I did that for a number of years.
Speaker C:I think I have a creek in my back.
Speaker C:I'm trying to stand upward now and practice more better posture.
Speaker C:So I, you know, don't get carpal tunnel in my spine when I'm older.
Speaker B:I know you guys haven't met Dre, but he's a tall.
Speaker B:Tall, some.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker E:My house was built in the 50s, so I. I hear you.
Speaker E:Every time I go downstairs, I have to make sure I duck my head.
Speaker E:Otherwise I.
Speaker B:Straight.
Speaker C:Clothesline yourself.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:It's not funny.
Speaker C:But no.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So like the last.
Speaker A:Since the last time Brian's been on a show, or should I say bs I don't know what's.
Speaker A:What's the right thing to call you Brian.
Speaker A:BS BS Yeti, Van Halen, Eddie Van Halen.
Speaker A:I like.
Speaker A:I like that one a lot.
Speaker B:For example, the rapper.
Speaker A:Dre, how many names do you have?
Speaker A:Or does Brian, like, have the whole, like, roll call of names?
Speaker A:Like, are you keeping up with him?
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker C:You know, I just try and stay in my own lane.
Speaker C:I stick to a cadre, AKA Dre, my first name.
Speaker C:Sometimes people call me the Kid, but I'm.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm grown now, so it's not so much of that.
Speaker C:A cadre is fine.
Speaker C:Dre is fine.
Speaker C:I go by Dre.
Speaker C:It's all good.
Speaker C:Not the doctor, you know, but, you.
Speaker B:Know, he's much more sure of himself, man.
Speaker A:I like Cadre, though.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's a great name.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:Yeah, that came to me after almost 10 years, and this guy kept asking me, what's your handle, dude?
Speaker C:What's your handle, bro?
Speaker B:You gotta pick a name.
Speaker C:Pick a name.
Speaker C:And then, yeah, in my artist Lamenta was sitting up like.
Speaker C:Like Sherlock Holmes trying to race through the tunnel hole here with the rabbit, and just ended up coming up with something.
Speaker C:After I started, like, writing, sometimes you go on, like, a tangent.
Speaker C:For me, it's like a stream of consciousness, and you have, like, different ideas that you pull from and then come to you and you put them down on paper, and, like, that's where the magic happens.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:So how did you guys actually meet?
Speaker A:Because, like, this kind of came out of left field, and I'm like, like, wait, Brian's rapping with this other guy now?
Speaker A:Like, what's going on here?
Speaker A:So I was kind of curious how that kind of kind of got set up, because I love these stories about the Winnipeg music scene and.
Speaker A:And just how shit just kind of happens.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's something that.
Speaker C:I don't know if you want to speak on that.
Speaker C:There was an era there where we were.
Speaker C:We were playing Goldeneye on N64, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker D:Sam showing you guys.
Speaker B:We're in Huggies together, Right.
Speaker B:Since we were babies, obviously, life.
Speaker B:People kind of go on their paths in life or whatever, and Dre actually spent most of his young, young life in Texas.
Speaker B:Yeah, he moved away when I was about 13, I want to say.
Speaker B:And then every once in a while, he'd come back to the city, and I'd be like, yo, Dre, come look at.
Speaker B:Look at this production stuff I've been working on.
Speaker B:And I remember how bad I was back then.
Speaker B:We actually recorded a song Called Walls of Jericho.
Speaker B:It was one of the first songs I ever.
Speaker B:I ever made, and it was kind of like a little Chris Jericho kind of vibe thing going on.
Speaker A:Well, what you're forgetting, Ricochet, is I don't have to find somebody that likes me to team up with.
Speaker A:I just have to find somebody that doesn't like you.
Speaker A:Bald Brick.
Speaker C:That was on a coat hanger, by the way.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, Our bike stand was a coat hanger.
Speaker A:And that's awesome.
Speaker B:And looking back, it was pretty bad, but, I mean, you know, you got to start somewhere.
Speaker E:You guys have known each other forever, then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Seriously.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker E:And N64,007.
Speaker E:I remember playing that with Sean, actually.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Anyone who used Odd Job was a dick.
Speaker B:Come on, man.
Speaker C:That's my go to.
Speaker A:That's why I hate.
Speaker C:Oh, this guy used to be moonwalking in the pyramids and, like, just doing slaps, and I could never chase slaps over time.
Speaker C:It was the timing of all the.
Speaker B:Of all the things.
Speaker C:I'd always be off the timing, but that's.
Speaker C:That's something that I had to come correct with, too.
Speaker C:When I started writing, I went to, like, Studio 393 at Portage Place.
Speaker C:Place I check in with.
Speaker C:I also know.
Speaker C:Know Alani over a number of years.
Speaker C:When I came back, when I moved back to Winnipeg, just wanted to kind of, like, touch down and really see what was going on, like, on the ground.
Speaker C:It was just, like, really playing catch up, and I'm glad I did.
Speaker C:When I did, I'm glad I came back.
Speaker C:My mom, she always made sure that we touched down and, like, made sure we stayed in contact with friends and family and relatives.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's good.
Speaker C:It's really good.
Speaker C:Most of.
Speaker C:Most of the people, even at this point now kind of, like, passed away.
Speaker C:So it was.
Speaker C:It was really a blessing to.
Speaker C:To have all of that in terms of experience.
Speaker C:And then also now you guys, like, 10 years.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's been about 10 years for me also.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And now it's like a new era, and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Rising from the ashes on that fire horse, you know?
Speaker F:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:So I didn't even know this dude was back in the city.
Speaker B:I was in a really bad rock band, and I.
Speaker A:Okay, wait, wait.
Speaker A:So wait.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:Let's touch on that for a sec.
Speaker A:And not too much, because we don't want to.
Speaker A:We don't want to say too much, but.
Speaker A:Dre, were you aware of this band that Brian was in?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:I'LL check them out at a show taphouse once.
Speaker C:And one thing, one thing I noticed was, well, whenever, whenever Brian was rapping, it was, it was difficult to hear.
Speaker C:So I would, I told him I was like, yo, they need to kind of like boost your mic because they're not, they're not really playing to their strengths.
Speaker C:And Brian was a strength and made it different.
Speaker C:Made it different than, than what you would normally expect from a band even on a headliner that would, that would play.
Speaker C:It was a different sound in a way.
Speaker C:And after that I think we, we kind of collaborated more and encouraged me to like make a move also to say, hey, you know, be the change you kind of want to see.
Speaker C:If no one else is going to step up to the plate, then why not me?
Speaker B:So, okay, so I.
Speaker A:So Todd, you remember.
Speaker A:Well, we're not going to mention the band, but the, the old man Brian was in.
Speaker A:That's how I met Brian.
Speaker A:But then I also worked with Brian, which is like really odd because I'm like, wait a minute, who's.
Speaker A:Wait, who's this guy?
Speaker A:So we had Brian on with, with that old band and the, the one thing I like, the one thing I noted is, I mean there's a lot of bands in Winnipeg, like, of.
Speaker A:Of that ilk, like rock bands, classic rock or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker A:There is a kind of a generic sound to it.
Speaker A:They're kind of sameness to it.
Speaker A:And what I really like, the reason I jived with this band and I really wanted the band on our show was because what Brian brought to is like, okay, you guys are not doing what everyone else is doing.
Speaker A:This is unique.
Speaker A:And I felt, I mean, Brian was young at that stuff at the time, but I could still hear shit.
Speaker A:Like I could hear the shit in it.
Speaker A:Like the good stuff in it that was coming out that he was dropping down.
Speaker A:I was like, fuck.
Speaker A:Like, this is not like everyone else.
Speaker A:Like, this is.
Speaker A:There's a, there's a hook here.
Speaker A:There's something original and I wanted more of that.
Speaker A:And then it was done.
Speaker A:And I'm like, wait, what are you doing?
Speaker A:I was kind of.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think Brian, I talked about this a bit, but I was kind of a little bit pissed off about it.
Speaker A:It's like you guys actually had an edge, something unique, something different than everyone else out there and you drop it like a hot potato and just sound like everyone else, like, hey, all the success to them and stuff and you know, good on them and you know, they keep playing Shows and, you know, doing music and stuff and, you know, good on them, but, man, there was something different with them before.
Speaker A:So, you know, Dre, you hooked on to this.
Speaker A:This here, and, you know, like, hang on.
Speaker A:Because this guy's creative as.
Speaker A:And what I'm hearing out of you, too, man.
Speaker A:Good stuff.
Speaker A:This is exciting.
Speaker A:Like, this is actually exciting now, you know, That's.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's much love right there.
Speaker C:It's very exciting for us, too.
Speaker C:We were just talking about this before y' all came on, that we.
Speaker C:We were talking about, like, pipe dreams and those pipe dreams now becoming more reality.
Speaker C:And why.
Speaker C:Why not?
Speaker C:Like, what else?
Speaker C:You know, why.
Speaker C:Why put labels or put something in a box?
Speaker C:That's impossible.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I honestly real.
Speaker B:I used to hate when people talked about manifesting and all that.
Speaker A:There you are.
Speaker A:He's been saying about you, man.
Speaker A:Holy crap.
Speaker B:I'm sold on it now.
Speaker B:We actually did a show with those guys.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, I heard.
Speaker A:I heard about it, and I was gonna ask about it.
Speaker A:I don't know if we should talk about it on air or not.
Speaker B:It's up to you.
Speaker A:But I'm like, oh, that's interesting, because one of the other bands there kind of.
Speaker A:Kind of knows what was going on there, too, and.
Speaker A:And he's like, oh, did you know, Sean?
Speaker A:Did you know that this is happening?
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, shit.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:Like, water under the bridge is the way it should be, you know?
Speaker A:Like, they're doing good on their own, you know?
Speaker A:But you guys are doing good, too.
Speaker A:But, like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm listening to you guys that.
Speaker A:I don't have no idea what they're up to.
Speaker A:I kind of just lost interest.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:I just look back and laugh at it.
Speaker B:And, yeah, the stuff I'm doing now is what I should have been doing the whole freaking time.
Speaker A:Yeah, but, you know, you needed to take that step, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what they made.
Speaker B:They made me better.
Speaker A:They did.
Speaker B:I'll straight up admit it.
Speaker B:They made me a better writer, sure.
Speaker B:Maybe a better rapper.
Speaker B:They introduced me to the.
Speaker B:To live performance and.
Speaker B:But I. I've taken it to the next level now, and we ain't looking back.
Speaker A:Like, I'll say the same thing.
Speaker A:Like, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm a mediocre performer and musician and whatever.
Speaker A:So that's why I hook up with Todd, because he makes me shine.
Speaker A:He makes me sound great.
Speaker A:It's awesome,.
Speaker B:Right, Todd?
Speaker C:Iron sharpens iron.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:If you're not pushed, if you're not pushed or you don't have somebody in your corner, you know, you don't need a yes man.
Speaker C:You need somebody who's going to be real with you and have like, you know, sharpened to tools, you know, stay on top of it.
Speaker C:We actually started doing kind of just meetups once a week and going over like different sounds.
Speaker C:We committed to that probably, well last year, about this time last year, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And once we started doing that, there was a lot of things that came out of it.
Speaker C:Actually.
Speaker C:One of our songs there, mexico, yeah, was like a banger that just all of a sudden came out of, you know, almost like the essence.
Speaker C:And that one was definitely one of my favorites.
Speaker C:And there's a memory associated with that, that when we perform it, you kind of have that nostalgia but also euphoric feeling at the same time to say, wow, this came out of something that was an idea that was from a beat that we were listening to.
Speaker C:And all of a sudden it turns into, you know, one of the greatest openers that we do for different shows and performances at these venues.
Speaker A:Yeah, yo, I'll go first.
Speaker C:Let me go, go.
Speaker A:Let me take it.
Speaker C:Let me take these.
Speaker D:Look at these.
Speaker D:Take it all.
Speaker A:I got it, got it.
Speaker D:Crossing over like a weekend and feeling over the feeling era Any hands up get nothing but cold shoulders that snake shit is over tolerated but cook a pass it all changed that's an understatement through chills and sweats I made it out unindoctrinated years in the making no debating fuck the system we baby we Ways for the next generation King Colin got shit on this not faded but well predicted the ill times a test for what I manifested I atone for my lack of patience you were told try to stop greatness it's yeti step to the mic like a sharp machete I hope they ready, hope they ain't ready kid check spectacular words, spectacular herbs count Jetty smack in a herb make sure the faction is heard being trained this time you bastard should learn we hit hard haggling hers it's like we throwing bombs at these kids Be throwing jazz hands hanging on the wheel Cause yo, you never had that backstage catch them all smoking with the jazz bad boy I'm talking about that good, not bad, bad oh, and not a moment too soon Woman watch franchise on you like sh woman what will we have?
Speaker D:Like the sun in Cancun late June Whatever you do, just stay tuned and let me show you how to do this real skill off the m trey in the true I said I do as I like you rappers buster Douglas, how you ruined the fight A bunch of busters with no substance come through just like nothing.
Speaker A:Yo, Trey, I gotta go back in.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker D:All right, all right.
Speaker D:A wise man once told me never meet your heroes so I watch it burn like Nero mad the Nero eat a rapper like a gyro out in London dropping heroes times plural your mind01 my mind feral when they shot bullets, we shot arrows yet we still here and fly apparel and still staring down the peril it's like a family heirloom come knock on the door, I dare you.
Speaker D:I give you fuckers more attention than I bear to Getty I hear you stop up to every venue r death route these grass panic as we making new moves Acting like they ain't printing money every day fool who am I up at night as I let the pin lose fire keeper hair splitter as I drop this scripture exposing whack MCs like these sitters biting from flows heard from other lies we just go from soul elders with the cleaver on you japetos master and puffy will cut your nose Pinocchio, we really will.
Speaker D:You just got to play dope want to turn to fold we dropping bows off the top rows people's elbow come correct mumble rap flows you a hobbyist we the repo come to collect far from the rest Davey Jones say it with your chest.
Speaker A:So that was.
Speaker A:That was an older song because I heard an early version of it quite a while ago.
Speaker A:So, yeah, when I.
Speaker A:When I got the tracks, I'm like, oh, there's a song again.
Speaker A:And I mean, it stood out right away.
Speaker A:Like, you know, it's, it's.
Speaker A:It's good too, because like, like, you know, I'll apologize now, like, I'm not a big rap guy or anything, but there's something in the way that you guys are rapping and the way, like the, like the production of it is really, really good.
Speaker A:And I'm a sound like, I Like when I'm listening to music, I'm not just listening to the words.
Speaker A:I'm listening to everything.
Speaker A:And I like to absorb everything and feel where things are going.
Speaker A:And I just got.
Speaker A:I got sucked in.
Speaker A:I probably almost had a car accident listening to in the car because I thought I was in Mexico driving down.
Speaker A:It was good stuff, but it actually, it told a story, but it actually transformed ported you, which I.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Which is good, man.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:That's what I want my music.
Speaker A:I don't want something fluff Like, I mean, there's a story there.
Speaker A:So can you guys maybe, like, talk about how that came together?
Speaker A:Like, that particular track, since that was the first one?
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:I. I had that sample saved on my computer for, like, two years.
Speaker B:And then me and Dre, like, literally, like, the first time we met up in my backyard, he's like, we need a beat.
Speaker B:I'm like, okay, let's go downstairs.
Speaker B:I got something in mind.
Speaker B:And I freaking pull the sample up, and I start chopping it up right there on the spot and that.
Speaker A:So he's watching you actually do the actual, like, production part?
Speaker B:Yeah, he watched me lay down.
Speaker B:I put, like, organ on there.
Speaker B:I freaking.
Speaker B:The way I loop the sample, I'm like, oh.
Speaker B:I'm, like, listening to it.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, I know exactly what I'm gonna do here.
Speaker C:Very, very much.
Speaker C:I like to be also involved in, like, the creative process because there's certain things that just as, like, you know, two heads are better than one.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:That can add different flavors and things.
Speaker C:Like, I also pull from a lot of what I experience in the culture down south in Texas, Louisiana.
Speaker C:And there's also, like, more stories that I uncover for myself, even, like, for my family.
Speaker C:And also having the reference of, like, the movie Death Proof and, like, Tarantino's.
Speaker C:That's a storyteller.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Having that also was just something that ideas will spawn out of, out of, out of air, and then we'll bounce off one another about what we think about this, and then we kind of, like, just start writing from there, and then we start ironing out.
Speaker C:Maybe we'll do, like, a couple meetups, and then we'll go to, like, an open mic.
Speaker C:We'll test it out.
Speaker C:Because one thing Brian told me was that it's different.
Speaker C:It's a difference between the recording process and the actual live performance and the breath work that also goes into it.
Speaker C:The pronouncing, exercising, you know, the vocal, being able to use this as Also as an instrument is something that I've really fallen in love with.
Speaker C:And, you know, I have.
Speaker C:I have a lot of.
Speaker C:I have a lot of passion behind the creative process.
Speaker C:Luckily, too, like, Brian has been doing this and.
Speaker C:And put me onto it, and in that way also, I can just kind of focus on for myself right now, tightening up the writing, exploring different.
Speaker C:Different patterns or categories with the voice.
Speaker C:Shout out to Tyler Duke, by the way.
Speaker C:He's our guitarist.
Speaker C:Adds a lot of flavor.
Speaker B:He is amazing as a lot of the beat.
Speaker C:You know, it really brought out the sound and the impact from when we.
Speaker C:When we went back.
Speaker C:Like, when you went back and recorded the guitar for Mexico and even added layers to Bobby.
Speaker C:It's incredible.
Speaker C:It was incredible.
Speaker C:Tyler gave me.
Speaker C:Gave me a audio interface and a microphone, so I was able to, like, do some recordings on my own.
Speaker C:So there's a lot of things that we haven't even tipped the iceberg with in terms of where we're going with the sound and direction.
Speaker C:We're very versatile in that way, too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is just the start.
Speaker B:And you know what?
Speaker B:Dre is an amazing writer.
Speaker B:Like, I. I'm an experienced rapper, but Dre is a very good writer.
Speaker B:He does a, like, open.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, he does the poetry.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Seriously.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, that shit's hard to pull off, man.
Speaker E:Very hard.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I've seen him perform a few times, and.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I've always.
Speaker B:And ever since I've known Dre, he's always had a journal.
Speaker B:He's always been writing.
Speaker B:Dude, I've never had a planner.
Speaker B:Remember in school, they tried to make you use, like, planners and.
Speaker B:No, I don't do that.
Speaker B:I've never had a journal in my life.
Speaker B:Like, this dude actually writes.
Speaker B:I don't write.
Speaker B:I just talk.
Speaker E:So when.
Speaker E:Say, when Sean and I were in the band, and we.
Speaker E:And we do creative stuff.
Speaker E:Okay.
Speaker E:So everybody had their own instruments.
Speaker E:Everybody put in their own input.
Speaker E:Now, because you guys both rap now, I'm not too sure if.
Speaker E:If Dre, If.
Speaker E:If you also do the music or if it's just, you know, one person's doing the music and another person is collabing with.
Speaker E:Like you said, you do the.
Speaker E:The poetry thing, so it's just kind of on the spot, and you just come up with stuff.
Speaker E:How do you guys collaborate word wise?
Speaker E:Like, do you.
Speaker E:Do you share some aspects of it or integrate your own lyrics or how does that work?
Speaker E:Or is it just strictly one person does the lyrics?
Speaker C:No, we.
Speaker C:We collaborate.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We say that.
Speaker C:Okay, we want a 16 or 32.
Speaker B:Or we figure out the structure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm gonna go here.
Speaker B:You're gonna go here.
Speaker E:Okay.
Speaker C:And then we bounce the ideals off one another.
Speaker C:Like, I'll send them something.
Speaker C:Yeah, Maybe a voice note or a couple bars on something and say, like, well, what do you think about this?
Speaker C:And then eventually, when we.
Speaker C:When we collaborate, the.
Speaker C:The day of the week, we.
Speaker C:We go down different.
Speaker C:We bounce.
Speaker C:We just basically bounce the ideas off one another.
Speaker C:And, you know, in a way, it also encourages us to.
Speaker C:To write more because I know he says he doesn't write, but when he does have.
Speaker C:Does have, like, he certainly writes himself.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker C:But more so, I guess, with the focus with him is the production and the process on that end.
Speaker C:So it's not to say that.
Speaker C:That that's any better or worse.
Speaker C:It's just to say that right now, for me, I'm practicing, and I'm trying to find that consistency.
Speaker C:Sometimes when I've had to move around so much the past 10 years again, is I haven't had the stability.
Speaker C:So one thing I have had was the.
Speaker C:Was the writing or the journal or put something down on my phone.
Speaker C:So I've been able to be consistent with that.
Speaker C:But everything is.
Speaker C:Is open, really in the air.
Speaker C:I definitely want to get into more of the production of own beats and certain samples to cut and just throw them his way and see what comes out of that also, you know?
Speaker C:So, yeah, there's a collaborative process with that that.
Speaker C:That's going to just increase as we also, respectively, get better at the craft.
Speaker B:One of my favorite things about this project is the contrast between me and Dre.
Speaker B:Very different flows.
Speaker A:Yeah, sure.
Speaker B:Voices.
Speaker B:Very different.
Speaker B:We're talking about the same stuff, but we're talking about it in completely different ways.
Speaker A:But it's a cohesive story you're telling, too.
Speaker A:And that within the same song, which I'm fascinated with that process because every band I've been in, I'm the guy writing the words, I'm the guy singing, and, like, I'm controlling the narrative that's being told.
Speaker A:So I'm like.
Speaker A:I'm fascinated by the two of you telling a story within the.
Speaker A:The span of one song, being on the same page, but still having, like, different sides to the same story you're telling within the song.
Speaker A:Like, just fascinated by that.
Speaker A:Like, like, hashing.
Speaker A:Hashing back forth.
Speaker A:Like, is there time where Dre.
Speaker A:Or you're gonna say, brian, like, this.
Speaker A:This don't work, man.
Speaker A:Like, I'm telling a story here, and this is butting in to this.
Speaker A:Or is there, like, an osmosis between the two of you?
Speaker A:Or like a psychic rapport where, like, you kind.
Speaker A:You know where the story's going, you know?
Speaker B:Well, the fortunate thing we have is that we've been friends for, like, 30 goddamn years.
Speaker B:So we like to like the same stuff.
Speaker B:We grew up on the same stuff we.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:That's why we've always stayed in touch, too, you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, it's solid.
Speaker C:Like, this has been really solid.
Speaker C:Brian's been my oldest friend.
Speaker C:I Mean, there's friends that you make that I still keep in contact with every now and again.
Speaker C:More particular from the ones that I met out when I was in bc.
Speaker C:But there's no one that I've really talked to and revisited more than.
Speaker C:Than Brian.
Speaker C:So there is an osmosis to the.
Speaker C:To the style.
Speaker C:For instance, like with Mexico, the.
Speaker C:The idea started with, okay, we're pulling where.
Speaker C:Where I would do some.
Speaker C:Some research on my own if I didn't know this song, where the sample was from.
Speaker C:Is it inspired by something?
Speaker C:Where.
Speaker C:Where were they coming from?
Speaker C:Is this a movie or a film?
Speaker C:How was it used in the movie or the film?
Speaker C:And then you start to formulate different ideas based on the.
Speaker C:For me, the original lyrics that are written and then I'll do a motif, if you will, to say this is the idea that my lyrics are going to be centered around what do you think about this?
Speaker E:And.
Speaker C:And it's kind of like it's back and forth with that too.
Speaker C:It could be.
Speaker C:It's the same on the flip side with Bobby.
Speaker C:You know, Brian came up with the hook.
Speaker C:I couldn't figure out what to put on that sample.
Speaker C:The hook, but he.
Speaker C:He heard it.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker C:He knew what was there.
Speaker B:Hey, Bobby was the most touch and go song on the ep.
Speaker B:Like, it was like, this beat was good.
Speaker B:And I was like, okay, we're gonna do this, this and that.
Speaker B:And like, even when I like put recorded like a rough example, it just didn't sound right.
Speaker B:And I'm like, no, no, no, I don't.
Speaker B:You don't understand.
Speaker B:Once this is done and we do it this way, it's gonna be am.
Speaker D:Leg drop off top rope Ever since I got dope you can't deny that I've been the flies these rappers is all plot roast thinking that they got jokes oh pull your card like tonsils I'm hip hop Snoop Losto, you would think that he's not though I'm Costco my sample slap are you afraid you can sample that hidden meaning Sweet do his rap so there's no BS The BS is back Yeti Van Halen I ain't in it for no proceeds My witch's brew needs crow's feet My interests include most snakes but that's born right Learn from a friend of a friend that you can hear the low at night no soul in sight just a voice from the dark it's kind of like a walk in the park it's kind of like a vision in the sweat lodge the type that you can't forget lord and if you're thinking how we natural to breath I advise that you watch where you step never meet your heroes they will always disappoint that's why Yeti got the flint and Dre, he got the joint it's the power duel making power moves and to devour you and we be getting ours like every single hour Do I rock with ever meet your heroes you rock the hoofies don't come through here rockin blue shades you ain't who knock you too thin never style a bit and I can see that your style is pit but I'mma show you how to ride with it I'm regulating like I'm Bobby shit pushing mountains just in case they doubt it the hurdles count it paid in time when primes are founded word is born call me crazy no just give me more it's big cheap you're killing me, Smalls.
Speaker D:The best to tequila on my breath but beneath there's death where you look from naked dog style hit like men lying so strong baby Jesus wet and from the brown I wipe the sweat protect the neck this cook got me thinking about all this bread Imma get transcribing the neck of my lessons and debts the big payback coming the next from my hometown you win the pagets I I pay respects product of my environment breaking tables, frustration I need a therapist Texas ray sipping syrup like I'm Bobby Shane they ain't dropping ain't no stopping the freight train is missing link I rock with never meet your heroes you rock with who cares don't come through here rocking roosters match you at full fair knocking too dead and I'm a style a bit I can see that your style is big but I' ma show you how to rock with it regulating like a bravi.
Speaker A:Because that one is like, it's different than the other tracks.
Speaker A:Like, it's.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I, I was, I was trying to, like, kind of get my thoughts together.
Speaker A:Listening to, like, well, the intro is kind of like giving the statement, right?
Speaker A:Like the intro song, just giving the statement as to what you guys are talking about.
Speaker A:I do want to go back to that in a sec because, like, the statement is actually very important because I was listening to it today and I'm going like, I, I, I feel you.
Speaker A:I'm actually, I know what you guys are talking about.
Speaker A:Like, the, the.
Speaker A:What do you get the.
Speaker A:There's the line in there about.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:Shadow, and there's almost like an illusion to like, hey, we're in Canada.
Speaker A:We're waiting for the.
Speaker A:For the.
Speaker A:Not the hedgehog.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker A:The beaver comes out or whatever the hell.
Speaker A:Yeah, the groundhog.
Speaker A:Sorry, the groundhog comes out, sees a shadow.
Speaker A:Because it was kind of tight.
Speaker A:It was very Canadian, if you're Canadian, you know.
Speaker A:But that whole thing of seeing his shadow, like, fuck it.
Speaker A:I was like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know, I just.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, so.
Speaker A:So this is what.
Speaker A:This is about, this.
Speaker A:So it's funny because who the fuck is that in the beginning anyway, with this French guy.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But yo, he said that was gonna happen.
Speaker C:Hey, you know what?
Speaker C:This guy was just calling me.
Speaker C:Nevermind.
Speaker C:Sully.
Speaker C:So it's called a Sully.
Speaker C:The intro, right?
Speaker C:Was a.
Speaker C:Was a friend that.
Speaker A:So he's a real guy.
Speaker C:He's a real guy.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not AI Dre.
Speaker B:Bet Sully.
Speaker B:Like, what?
Speaker A:Well, no, I thought someone was doing an accent or something maybe, or.
Speaker A:But then I'm like, we're half French, right?
Speaker A:So I'm like, no, no, no, Those are the right words.
Speaker A:You know, they're not.
Speaker A:They're not around.
Speaker A:This is the right words.
Speaker C:I'm like.
Speaker A:But I'm like, you know, as a statement at the beginning of an ep, like that.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:But then there's only four songs on here.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, no, I think you guys can go a bit further with the, like, the.
Speaker A:The concept.
Speaker A:Like as this is a concept album makes sense to me.
Speaker A:And I don't know if that was the plan, but it sounds like a concept album.
Speaker A:And you lay it out in the.
Speaker B:First track, it's almost like a concept group.
Speaker B:Like we.
Speaker B:The whole ethos of never meet your heroes is tearing down people on pedestals, man.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And then for.
Speaker C:And then on the flip side, you say, like, Brian, you mentioned that coming at it from a different.
Speaker C:Yeah, so, yeah, Brian is like tearing the person off a pedestal.
Speaker C:I'm the one that's kind of pointing them out to say where they are.
Speaker C:And even the ones like.
Speaker C:For the lyrics, all my heroes is dead.
Speaker C:I never met him.
Speaker C:You know, Instead they've been assassinated by the feds.
Speaker C:So it's saying, like, all my heroes have been killed.
Speaker C:The ones that.
Speaker C:That were striving or for doing that had any kind of genuine good.
Speaker C:I was having a talk to somebody at the King's Head about this.
Speaker C:They were saying something on the lines, like, you know, what.
Speaker C:What is a what.
Speaker C:What ends up happening to a person that just Ends up doing so much good or it's so good for the mass majority of people.
Speaker C:I example, you know, Fred Hampton in the States, 21 years old, assassinated by the CIA or the.
Speaker C:The FBI.
Speaker C:Rather part of the coyote intel pro.
Speaker C:All this and that, you know, it's.
Speaker C:There was this.
Speaker C:All this background and underground things that happen to genuine people.
Speaker C:And anytime this happens, when that person that you think is on that pedestal is who you should be striving for, well, never meet your heroes because once you meet them, you'll surely disappoint.
Speaker C:That's also goes back to what one of the lyrics that Brian says.
Speaker C:So he's pointing them out like he's tearing them down.
Speaker C:I'm pointing them out.
Speaker B:It's funny because a lot of people are like, oh, the ones above all.
Speaker B:You're the ones above all.
Speaker B:I'm like, no, no.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:We're talking about the people on the pedestals.
Speaker A:That's so.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:The reason it's connected with me is because on our Dome album, we had a song called Paradigm, which was about.
Speaker A:I'll try to be brief, but it's a song about our dad and how people put my dad on a pedestal.
Speaker A:And people were telling us, okay, we've put him on this pedestal.
Speaker A:And this is what my people are telling me.
Speaker A:Well, the writer on the song is telling me what my dad means and what he represents, which was a false.
Speaker A:In my mind, it's that.
Speaker A:No, that's not what he was about.
Speaker A:That's not what he was.
Speaker A:He's my dad.
Speaker A:You know, my brother and I know our dad better than anyone else, but someone's telling us our dad's hopes and dreams and was trying to get us to line up with their hopes and dreams as related to my dad, who he put on a fucking pedestal.
Speaker A:So when I'm hearing this, I'm like.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:It was just go listen to Paradigm.
Speaker A:Like, maybe.
Speaker A:Maybe you can pick something out of.
Speaker D:We could.
Speaker D:Never mind.
Speaker D:And we r pushing outward past the green dead.
Speaker D:Hello?
Speaker D:Never got past that.
Speaker A:It was the same thing.
Speaker A:And I was like sensing that.
Speaker A:It's like we put these people on fucking pedestals all the time, and then we just.
Speaker A:We can't wait to pull them off.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:I don't know, man.
Speaker A:I just really connected, like, right away.
Speaker A:I was like, okay, I'm gonna like this.
Speaker A:I'm gonna like this, right?
Speaker E:For sure.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker F:Bonjour me.
Speaker F:Hey, listen.
Speaker F:In every city there are people waiting to be safe Waiting for a hero.
Speaker F:Waiting for somebody to rise above the noise, above the struggle, about the cold winters and empty promises.
Speaker F:But the truth is, the moment a man becomes successful, society by him a pedestal.
Speaker F:They raise him high above the crowd, so high that the people can no longer see his flaws.
Speaker F:And when the flaws appear, meh.
Speaker F:Then look away, Monfre.
Speaker F:Because people don't want truth.
Speaker F:They want symbols.
Speaker F:They want idols.
Speaker F:They want heroes they never have to meet but understand something.
Speaker F:Heroes are just people without the microphones.
Speaker F:And this city, this called sefroy suburban city called Winnipeg, has watched too many artists run from its shadow.
Speaker F:The moment the spotlight flickers, they park their bags.
Speaker F:Toronto, Vancouver, bro.
Speaker F:Anywhere but here, like sisters can only exist somewhere else.
Speaker F:Like redness can grow in frozen sun.
Speaker F:But there are three men who looked at this city and said something different.
Speaker F:They did not ask for permission.
Speaker F:They did not wait for validation.
Speaker F:They did not wait for somebody from a bigger market to tell them they were important.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:No, bro.
Speaker F:BS Raps Alcadrae and Tyler.
Speaker F:The Duke.
Speaker F:The Duke, my brother, were awesome to together.
Speaker F:They call themselves never meet you heroes.
Speaker F:Because the moment you meet the people you've been worshipping, you realize they bleed the same as you.
Speaker D:Mad.
Speaker F:And these men, they're already talking reckless, talking bold, talking like kings.
Speaker F:On their very first chapter, a debut.
Speaker F:EPI le debut.
Speaker F:An episode, a declaration, a warning.
Speaker F:Because when you step into the arena speaking like giants, you better be ready to stand among them.
Speaker F:This is not humility.
Speaker F:This is ambition.
Speaker F:This is the three voices from the middle of the continent telling the we're not leaving this city to find greatness.
Speaker F:We're bringing greatness to this city.
Speaker F:But remember, rapato en cule de mer.
Speaker F:When people put you above them, they expect you to fall.
Speaker F:So the question is whether never meet your heroes can talk like champions.
Speaker F:The question is, can they become the ones above all.
Speaker F:Yeah, Monfrey.
Speaker E:It almost seems like when you're doing the music, like when Sean and I talk is like, well, what's your podcasting?
Speaker E:Well, it's.
Speaker E:It's like, say we're just hanging out on the couch at home, you know, having a couple of drinks, jig jib jabbing type thing.
Speaker E:And it's almost like your.
Speaker E:Your music is.
Speaker E:Because you guys are.
Speaker E:It's not the same thing, but you guys are collaborating together through life experiences and talking about it, but you're doing it in a rap function instead of like, do we do it in a podcast?
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:You know what, man?
Speaker B:I really can't Stand.
Speaker B:Celebrity worship.
Speaker B:Like, don't get me wrong, I like that.
Speaker B:I like.
Speaker B:I love music.
Speaker B:I love music artists.
Speaker B:But there's like a.
Speaker B:There's a certain level of success.
Speaker B:It doesn't even have to be music where people get.
Speaker B:Get to this level of success and like, everything's forgiven.
Speaker B:They could be the biggest piece of.
Speaker B:On earth and yeah, yeah, no one cares.
Speaker B:But that guy's like a great ass.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know he did that, but I mean, he's amazing or whatever.
Speaker B:It's like that happens way too much in this today's world.
Speaker B:And you know what?
Speaker B:We're sick of it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we've made this group so we can talk about it.
Speaker C:As far as channeling that energy and recycling some.
Speaker C:Some of that trauma and pain into something that's going to be able to, you know, be expressive, creative.
Speaker C:It's an outlet, it's therapy.
Speaker C:It's something I think that a lot of people can connect with and hopefully wake up to, if not already.
Speaker C:You know, there's certainly certain other experiences that I've had.
Speaker C:I know, respected to Brian, like just where I've been that our thing.
Speaker C:Those experiences at the end of the day have a common denominator and they align no matter what.
Speaker C:If you're here, if you're there.
Speaker C:So it's just being able to like, point them out or keep those things in check because you always got to have the home base solid.
Speaker C:Jimi Hendrix said, what is that?
Speaker C:Castles made of sand always return to the sea eventually.
Speaker D:And so castles made of sand fall in the sea eventually.
Speaker A:Wow, that's a good poll there.
Speaker A:That's a great poll.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's true.
Speaker A:That's really what that is.
Speaker B:See, he's my poet.
Speaker C:Don't you know it?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:You know, it's cool because I like, I know Brian well enough by now and I kind of like, I'm familiar with his rhymes and stuff.
Speaker A:And I'm like, like at first, like, what's this Drake guy gonna be?
Speaker A:Like, is it gonna be.
Speaker A:I wasn't sure how this was gonna go, but like, I.
Speaker A:And I don't know if it's just because you're really good at what you're doing.
Speaker A:And I don't even know if you realize this, but.
Speaker C:But subconscious.
Speaker A:But the way.
Speaker A:The way the.
Speaker A:The words you're picking or how you're painting the picture right away I'm like, oh, fuck, I've known this guy for 20 years.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:Like, it's weird.
Speaker A:Like, how.
Speaker A:How are you connecting on.
Speaker A:On one of your Songs to a song I wrote.
Speaker A:And I'm like, fuck.
Speaker A:It's like we were.
Speaker A:It's like you and I were having a drink one night.
Speaker A:We were having a whiskey in my basement, and you're like, hey, Sean.
Speaker A:Yo.
Speaker A:You know, here's the song I'm working on, and I'm like, oh, dude.
Speaker A:Here's the song I'm working on.
Speaker A:And we're actually trading ideas because it feels like even though the song sound nothing alike, but the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The thematic.
Speaker A:Like, how the.
Speaker A:Like, how the.
Speaker A:Are you doing that?
Speaker A:Like, how do I.
Speaker A:How do I know you, but I don't know you?
Speaker A:Like, it's so.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's talented, man.
Speaker A:It's good.
Speaker B:When we started this project, like, some advice I gave Dre was.
Speaker B:And I think I. I can give this.
Speaker B:You can give this advice to any music artist.
Speaker B:You got to be vulnerable.
Speaker B:You have.
Speaker B:It's not easy.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:People can't connect with you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Unless you do it.
Speaker C:It took me a while to turn that.
Speaker C:That diary of mine into something that I put on a.
Speaker C:On a stage.
Speaker C:That's what you're doing as a performer, as an artist.
Speaker C:You're basically showing your.
Speaker C:Your diary.
Speaker C:You know, your rhymes would have to the audience.
Speaker C:And it took.
Speaker C:It took.
Speaker C:It took a good 10 years to really get comfortable in my own skin in that way, because there was.
Speaker D:Was.
Speaker C:There was like an extra stage, if you will, of evolution to get to that.
Speaker C:To that point in time.
Speaker C:And sometimes you just got to go through things.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:There was certainly something.
Speaker C:We always, always say, oh, I wish I would have started, you know, some odd years ago.
Speaker C:But there's always a path.
Speaker C:You got to trust your path.
Speaker C:You gotta trust the process, and everything will come to fruition when it's ripe enough.
Speaker C:Now, it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's taking.
Speaker C:Going like RP genre, G's, going to karaoke, understanding that there was something there with behind the voice that made people dance or groove or sing or, you know, feel.
Speaker C:Feel it.
Speaker C:There was going to the Handsome daughter when they had the.
Speaker C:They have the slam poetry nights.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That they'll do sometimes every month or every other month or every other week.
Speaker C:Doing that.
Speaker C:Putting.
Speaker C:Putting myself out there, having the nerves, riding the lightning with that.
Speaker C:And a lot of it goes back to just having that experience or that feeling with sports.
Speaker C: When sports ended for me in: Speaker A:But it's better on stage, man, I tell you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's way better on stage with boxing.
Speaker B:When I stopped boxing, that's when I really got into music.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Need my creative outlet, man.
Speaker C:It's therapeutic, really, to have.
Speaker C:To have a craft that you can master and get.
Speaker C:Get better at and have people feel that also in different levels, in different ways.
Speaker C:There's no better feeling than that, really.
Speaker E:So how did.
Speaker E:How did you feel?
Speaker E:Like, the very first time you went out and wrapped, like, was there.
Speaker B:I'm sure you.
Speaker E:I'm sure you were nervous.
Speaker E:How did you get over that?
Speaker E:Was it just a matter of just saying, you know what?
Speaker E:I'm just gonna do it, and that's it?
Speaker E:Was there kind of a prolonged,.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker E:Guess how you say it, just to kind of work yourself up to it, or did you just.
Speaker E:Just go out and says, you know what?
Speaker E:I'm just gonna do it, and that's it for sure.
Speaker B:You did the Cube?
Speaker B:The Cube?
Speaker C:Was it Cube, the first one?
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, the Cube was the first one.
Speaker C:I think around the last year, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, I was.
Speaker B:I. I got to do a show at Fringe Fest and at the Cube there.
Speaker B:And we weren't.
Speaker B:The group wasn't official yet.
Speaker B:We just finished kind of not even recording Mexico, just kind of like putting it together.
Speaker B:And, yeah, I brought Trey out to make his big, grand debut.
Speaker B:He knocked it out of the park, but I did make him rehearse his.
Speaker E:It's easier.
Speaker E:Exactly what you're.
Speaker E:What you're doing.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:We did rehearsal, we did the.
Speaker C:We practiced, we prepped.
Speaker C:I. I started getting more comfortable on the microphone.
Speaker C:I've been kind of a public speaker before, so it wasn't.
Speaker C:It was a little bit different, obviously, being sometimes even in the smaller, intimate crowd.
Speaker C:But these things were tested, and eventually you work through those nerves.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker C:You find a kind of a groove within yourself, and, I don't know, you just don't take yourself too seriously, you know, I think.
Speaker C:I think for me, like, it's been.
Speaker C:It's kind of been like the alchemist, like, waiting like the elephant in the room in front of.
Speaker C:In front of me this whole time.
Speaker C:But I thought it was like.
Speaker C:I thought of it, for me, was like, cringe.
Speaker C:It was cringe to me, but I got some message from the essence that it was like, time to do.
Speaker C:Do that, which most you think is cringe.
Speaker C:And so from that point forward, it was like, now the gift keeps giving.
Speaker B:So I know exactly what he means.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, same rap.
Speaker B:Rap is a weird genre, man.
Speaker B:Like, people will like, oh, you're a Rapper.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, freaking great.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I. I don't like that attitude, like, when people like, yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, you're.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:No, no, it's.
Speaker A:It's valid, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I. I.
Speaker B:So I know exactly what Dre's talking about there.
Speaker B:I have to have a really deep conversation with myself.
Speaker B:But when I.
Speaker B:Before I got into all this, I'm like, do I actually want to be on stage rapping?
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker B:I don't know why I ever doubted it, because it's freaking.
Speaker B:The best thing I ever did was start.
Speaker B:Start making music, man.
Speaker E:Did you record it, or did you.
Speaker E:Did anybody record your first?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:We got videos.
Speaker E:Yeah.
Speaker E:Because that's.
Speaker E:Anybody who kind of listens knows that I. I record everything.
Speaker E:Record everything just because of the nostalgia that it would bring later on.
Speaker E:And I knew it would be something that I would listen to 20, 30 years, you know, down the line type of thing as a.
Speaker E:As a memory.
Speaker E:So something like that.
Speaker E:That's special.
Speaker E:Like, your first show.
Speaker E:I mean, that's.
Speaker E:That's epic.
Speaker E:You'll have that forever, and you can always revert back to it and says, oh, you remember when we first started?
Speaker E:Oh, I played the tape.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And there's.
Speaker A:There's a reason that, like, that.
Speaker A:That Todd's good at that and wants that is like, her mom was a singer in the 70s, and apparently she was badass, but we'll never know.
Speaker A:None of that was ever recorded.
Speaker A:She was even on TV and stuff, you know, singing blues and.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And whatever.
Speaker A:Like, seeing Etta James and.
Speaker A:And it's like, we don't have that anywhere.
Speaker A:Like, we don't have a copy of that anywhere.
Speaker A:It's like, no, you know, even if.
Speaker A:Like, even if I'm singing horrible, I'd rather have a copy of it somewhere as.
Speaker A:As a, you know, chronology or as some sort of a document of what we did.
Speaker A:Because, I mean, it's important for, like, our, you know, our kids and their kids and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker A:Like, you got to have that out there.
Speaker A:So, you know, I.
Speaker A:This is my big regret.
Speaker A:We don't have Mom.
Speaker A:You know, we don't have any video of mom, like, back when she was, like.
Speaker A:She was like, the Queen, you know.
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would love to hear that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Content.
Speaker C:Content has definitely been something.
Speaker C:A part of this process, too, that a lot of artists, if you're indie, that's kind of part of.
Speaker C:Part and partial.
Speaker C:What you're also responsible for.
Speaker C:It can be like, obviously, it's work.
Speaker C:But that, too, to me, is what kind of interests me about the process.
Speaker C:Being able to, like, cut different visuals with that, cut different content with that, make a theme even with the.
Speaker C:The content or the reels.
Speaker C:There's this prompt that.
Speaker C:That popped up recently that I'd seen that says it's incarnations, like, hey, dad, how were you, like, in the 90s?
Speaker C: w you can say, are you in the: Speaker C:And you have this footage.
Speaker C:Yeah, it'll be like a Frozen Booter.
Speaker C:When we were doing the changeover set, you know, this past January, I think,.
Speaker B:Hey, Frozen Booter was the official debut.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I've never met Heroes.
Speaker A:We had the.
Speaker B:We had our buddy Tyler there with the guitar.
Speaker B:Yeah, we did, like, a full actual.
Speaker B:I think we did all our songs.
Speaker B:Well, Bobby wasn't done yet.
Speaker C:Bobby wasn't done.
Speaker C:But we did it anyways, didn't we?
Speaker B:Did we?
Speaker B:I can't remember.
Speaker A:So is Tyler always going to be there?
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:Is that part of the.
Speaker A:Is that part of the.
Speaker A:Is this, like, a trio, Tyler?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, Tyler actually left the band now.
Speaker B:We got.
Speaker B:We got a new guitarist.
Speaker B:His name's Dead Prez.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, Dead Prez.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But is that the idea, though, to always incorporate, like, a.
Speaker A:A guitar in there?
Speaker B:No, no, no, it wasn't.
Speaker B:It just kind of happened out of the blue.
Speaker B:Tyler has his own band, Graffiti Parks, and they're so good.
Speaker B:And I did a few shows with them, and we started hanging out.
Speaker B:I invited him over to jam one time with me and Dre.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we were literally cakes.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:So we're out outside of my backyard.
Speaker B:I have, like, one of those big umbrellas.
Speaker B:It's pouring, storming, it's pouring out.
Speaker B:I have a barbecue cover over the PA speaker.
Speaker B:All the equipment's under the umbrella.
Speaker C:I'm holding on to the thing, trying.
Speaker B:To like, yeah, Dre's holding on Vegas.
Speaker B:So the rain doesn't hit anything.
Speaker B:We are freaking rocking out.
Speaker B:Pouring rave.
Speaker B:And I knew right then and there, I'm like, this is.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is it.
Speaker B:And the more we got to get.
Speaker C:Tyler involved, the more I've gotten to know him.
Speaker C:Also, I keep thinking to myself, you know, Brian, how the heck did we find this guy?
Speaker C:How.
Speaker C:How he found us kind of just came together in a really organic way.
Speaker C:And that's another thing about the.
Speaker C:The group and.
Speaker C:And Brian, that's what I love and respect about you, is that we're not shying away from, like, the live elements, like the instruments and all that definitely, you know, from like, super duty, tough work does this.
Speaker B:Super duty, tough work.
Speaker B:Huge inspiration.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:What yo, listen, listen, yo.
Speaker D:Running on fumes.
Speaker D:Now that's the mood.
Speaker F:My crew on the groove.
Speaker D:Now that's a tune.
Speaker D:Mary soul stood by the stove.
Speaker D:What's in the soup?
Speaker D:Top boy taught you that slang.
Speaker D:We been half food.
Speaker D:I'm sowing these seeds to eat this fruit they bake for bars.
Speaker D:All I'm doing is singing the blues.
Speaker D:My styles like loremy slangs to use power from the.
Speaker D:The vastness and beauty that's in these hues.
Speaker D:Infiltrators hidden among us.
Speaker D:You might get duped.
Speaker D:I just kick my truth and let it do what it do.
Speaker C:Bad, bad, not good.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I love.
Speaker A:I love that, though.
Speaker A:Like, why not?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, you should do it.
Speaker B:Why not?
Speaker B:I don't want to force it.
Speaker A:I want it to be, like, organic.
Speaker B:And it just kind of happened with.
Speaker A:Tyler sound like, like the.
Speaker A:The tracks on there on the album.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So is that all.
Speaker A:Like, those aren't samples?
Speaker A:Like, the guitar?
Speaker A:Is that all, like, not live guitar, but whatever you want to call it.
Speaker A:But are those sample guitar or is that just.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker B:Is that.
Speaker A:Is that that guy playing?
Speaker B:Tyler came to my basement two weeks before the release.
Speaker B:We banged out the guitar recordings we had.
Speaker B:We had scheduling conflicts.
Speaker B:Every time I tried to get him in, he would always.
Speaker B:He had job stuff going on or whatever.
Speaker B:So, like, two weeks.
Speaker B:I'm panicking.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, I got to get this done in two weeks.
Speaker B:He finally comes in.
Speaker B:We bang it out in one session.
Speaker B:Dude.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:It was like magic.
Speaker B:That kid is so good at just improvising, like on stage, in the studio.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:He plays with his teeth.
Speaker B:He like.
Speaker B:I just like frozen booter.
Speaker B:Frozen booter.
Speaker B:I sent him the backing tracks for like, nine songs the night before.
Speaker B:He comes out there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And just kills it.
Speaker C:Dude.
Speaker B:He's amazing.
Speaker A:How much of that Frozen Booter stuff is up now.
Speaker A:I want to go back and watch it all.
Speaker B:Frozen Booter.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:They had their first festival that's organized by one of the gentlemen from lipstick 45.
Speaker B:I don't know if you ever heard of Lipstick.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:I'm gonna look at.
Speaker A:I'm gonna look into it though.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker A:I like your hair.
Speaker D:And now it's fashionable.
Speaker D:Reroll joints.
Speaker D:Old Hell, yeah.
Speaker D:The fashionable.
Speaker A:I like your shoes.
Speaker D:And guess what?
Speaker D:They're fashionable.
Speaker B:They're so fun.
Speaker B:They're so fun.
Speaker B:We're great rock band.
Speaker B:I did a. I met them at the tap.
Speaker B:Host.
Speaker B:I got.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm looking it up right now because, like, I got.
Speaker A:I gotta.
Speaker A:I. I gotta not forget to.
Speaker E:Here we go.
Speaker A:BS Raps Natural ceremonies.
Speaker C:This guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, I'll be back next year.
Speaker B:We'll be back next year for sure.
Speaker C:He's like, wait a minute.
Speaker A: Who the this BS rap: Speaker B:Some imposter.
Speaker A:Opa tudo bem saa okanal.
Speaker A:BS raps.
Speaker E:Mexican version.
Speaker A:Yeah, I speak a little Spanish, so.
Speaker B:I already got doppelgangers.
Speaker A:Well, I mean.
Speaker A:Oh, B.S.
Speaker A:Raptors.
Speaker A:Hang on.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker A:No, it's B.S.
Speaker A:Raps, man.
Speaker C:What the.
Speaker A:That's not cool.
Speaker A:All right, I'm gonna go to your page.
Speaker A:I'm gonna.
Speaker A:I want to listen to this stuff because I like, there was a.
Speaker A:There was a friend of mine, Ray Ettenhofer, and he was in, like, a local band called Bliss and then later called Gin Taxi.
Speaker A:And he was a good guitar player.
Speaker A:They played stuff that was kind of like Pink Floyd ish, right?
Speaker A:And then a certain point, he had an epiphany moment where he realized he really liked electronic music.
Speaker A:So he, you know, he decided to go down EDM route, right?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And people like, are you fucking nuts?
Speaker A:But he was following his passion.
Speaker A:Like, I feel this.
Speaker A:He became a DJ known as DJ Rain.
Speaker A:And he was great, man.
Speaker A:I have a lot of his stuff.
Speaker A:But what he started doing was incorporating a live guitar into his DJing.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:And he toured Europe, like, playing that stuff.
Speaker A:And they were playing, like, they were playing his.
Speaker A:They're playing his stuff in clubs all throughout Europe.
Speaker A:And it's like, but.
Speaker A:But it was so fresh, right?
Speaker A:It's like EDMs usually like pure electronica, right?
Speaker A:Like, there's no live instruments and stuff.
Speaker A:But it's like, well, why can't I just put a live guitar in that?
Speaker D:Why not?
Speaker C:There's no.
Speaker B:The only rules is there are no rules.
Speaker A:That's the thing you got to do.
Speaker A:You got to do what you feel like.
Speaker A:And if it feels like the thing to do, then do it.
Speaker A:Like, don't wait.
Speaker A:Just do it, you know?
Speaker B:I can't think of one.
Speaker B:I was trying to think of this the other day because I was posting all our stuff on for streaming, and it's like, what is.
Speaker B:What band?
Speaker B:What popular bands do you sound like?
Speaker B:I'm like, God, I.
Speaker A:So, like, how do you do that?
Speaker B:Maybe Rage against the Machine.
Speaker A:Like, maybe.
Speaker B:I don't think so, though.
Speaker B:Like, I don't.
Speaker B:It's it's its own thing.
Speaker B:I love it, though.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:To be undefinable is.
Speaker D:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker E:I'm waiting for country rap.
Speaker A:Well, there is country rap.
Speaker A:It's a whole thing.
Speaker E:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker E:Because so many genres you can mix together.
Speaker E:You could just make your own.
Speaker A:Yeah, There's.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's like a death country.
Speaker A:That's a thing now.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I was showing a band.
Speaker C:I can't remember the name.
Speaker C:I'm trying to think of the name, but.
Speaker C:But they were from Germany and they were.
Speaker C:They were coming over to tour.
Speaker C:They started touring Canada and Vancouver, and they mixed.
Speaker C:They mixed techno with heavy metal.
Speaker C:It's like semper tourism.
Speaker C:I'm trying to think of an edm, but it's.
Speaker C:It has this crazy sound to it, and people, like, they're.
Speaker C:You could tell they're passionate about it because they put their music.
Speaker C:They put all the effort into their music videos.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:And just have a good time and they don't really care.
Speaker C:Then that attracts more people.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:It's just like, oh, these people, they're authentic to themselves.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're trying.
Speaker A:They're trying shit.
Speaker A:And it's like, I want to do this.
Speaker A:And then you do it and they put it out.
Speaker A:I think Europe's a bit more freeing in that regard.
Speaker A:Like, there's a lot of, like.
Speaker A:Like, industrial music.
Speaker E:Would.
Speaker A:It happened over there?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, it's just like, you know, it's Germany.
Speaker A:It's industrial.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So what you're talking about, Dre, is like, yes, of course.
Speaker A:It makes sense to me.
Speaker A:You know, Like, I always like listening to new.
Speaker A:New styles of music and new.
Speaker A:Just kind of weird.
Speaker A:Weird shit.
Speaker A:Like when we played.
Speaker A:When Todd and I, we.
Speaker A:We play with.
Speaker A:I. I'm gonna say it wrong.
Speaker A:I. Dithylamide.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, he's great.
Speaker A:Like, he's like.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's not following any rules at all.
Speaker A:None.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:He's his own thing.
Speaker A:And then how do you define.
Speaker A:How do you define Anthony?
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker A:He's doing his own shit, and he's a.
Speaker A:God damn it.
Speaker A:A diethylamide.
Speaker A:And he's fucking great.
Speaker C:Like, there's a certain rebellion that you have to have against the status quo or, like, what you perhaps are used to hearing or, like, what the trend is in order for you to.
Speaker C:If that's what you feel like.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:That's kind of like how this kind of all came together, was just being able to bring that out from, like, what we hear what we want to hear, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:To something unique, something different.
Speaker C:And it, and it brings out.
Speaker C:We're just always, we're trying to bring out also a lot of other local people, local acts, because there's a lot of great talent in this city.
Speaker C:Going to the Soundways Music meeting, the demo listening session.
Speaker C:You have like a very, very com.
Speaker C:Like, there's, there's talent, there's hidden talent.
Speaker C:You just have to kind of like stay connected, like.
Speaker C:And then we always want to try and push those types of things too.
Speaker C:To say, hey, you know, this is a unique sound.
Speaker C:This is a talented individual.
Speaker C:Great individual behind the scenes.
Speaker C:Just more than a musician.
Speaker C:Great human being also, you know, we.
Speaker B:Have met so many amazing people over like the last one to two years.
Speaker B:I want to say, like so many amazing.
Speaker C:It really picked up after, after, like the last couple months, especially after January.
Speaker C:Frozen Booter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Putting, putting ourselves out there also, like going to the open mics.
Speaker B:Yeah, lots of open mics.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Okay, because I, this is what popped up on your pay on, on BS's page.
Speaker A:And I'm like, what the hell is going on here?
Speaker A:So are you guys actually developing other artists or.
Speaker A:Because what's this post here?
Speaker A:It was Tannis K8.
Speaker B:Oh, we did a radio, we did an interview with her at the, on for ckuw.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker C:And played, we played a set.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:We had songs, we had a couple of songs from local.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She hosts, she hosts the Purple Room.
Speaker A:It's breaking and breaking.
Speaker A:And you're breaking too.
Speaker B:But what can we do?
Speaker B:What can we do?
Speaker A:Stay up real late and discuss all the things we could possibly think.
Speaker A:Hoping the night will continue.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Open mic there that they do at XQ's in the winter.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In the summer.
Speaker A:I just met up with that guy yesterday.
Speaker A:Or Todd that we met up with that guy on Sunday.
Speaker A:He was the guy at the end of the table.
Speaker A:He's the Purple Room guy.
Speaker A:Yeah, great guy.
Speaker B:We actually have a big announcement coming up about that.
Speaker B:We'll have to save that for next time.
Speaker A:But so are you guys.
Speaker A:So have you ever thought.
Speaker A:So I, I, I, I, I didn't look into this deep enough, but.
Speaker A:So you have, so you, you're self releasing, self producing, putting your out.
Speaker A:You're doing, you're doing the completely indie thing.
Speaker A:You're gonna, everything's gonna be on Spotify and all the streamings you're gonna go through, probably CD baby, or whoever the hell you're going through, but so you have your own, like this is your own label.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like putting your.
Speaker A:Your own shit out on your own label.
Speaker A:Have you ever thought about bringing other artists onto the label?
Speaker B:Oh, I. I would love to, but, you know, I.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker B:There's only so many hours.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Fair process.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That's a good start.
Speaker C:It's a good start.
Speaker C:It's just right now, more or less like, just sharpening our craft.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Making sure that, you know, we're.
Speaker C:We're developing us as a group, us as individuals also.
Speaker C:We're not.
Speaker C:We're not.
Speaker C:We're definitely open or keen to, like, working with others.
Speaker C:I mean, this place.
Speaker C:There's another great producer that, you know, they.
Speaker C:They meet up with with Fourth Quarter Records producer.
Speaker C:They call it the track meet.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So Fourth Quarter Records hosts a monthly track meet at Sucram's Brewing where like a bunch of producers, hip hop producers, EDM producers.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Anything that was like a drum pad, whatever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:On your phone or whatever.
Speaker C:They were doing a public domain and then.
Speaker C:Yeah, that was like, what.
Speaker C:That was again last summer, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Around this time.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they.
Speaker C:Yeah, we went there for.
Speaker C:I don't know if that was their first one, but it wasn't a while.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:They used to do them before COVID right?
Speaker B:Yeah, they've been doing them for a while, but.
Speaker B:But that was the first one we went to and put a bunch of people unnoticed, man.
Speaker B:They're like, who the hell?
Speaker B:Who the heck is these guys?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Hey.
Speaker E:Oh, what happened?
Speaker A:Sorry, I just.
Speaker E:Around.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker A:Yeah, go back to that.
Speaker B:And I started making it like a.
Speaker B:Like, I try to go to each one of those now.
Speaker B:It's actually really good.
Speaker B:It's made me a better producer, you know, that's what they do.
Speaker A:That's good because you're.
Speaker D:You're trade.
Speaker A:You're trading chops with these guys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:They take a record and they give it to the group and they're like, this is what you're gonna use to sample.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:That's cool.
Speaker B:And so you get to see everyone's kind of like, approach to it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of people who are better than me there, that's for sure.
Speaker A:But no, that's.
Speaker A:That's awesome you're doing that, though, because I think that's important because.
Speaker A:To just stay in your room and mixing and stuff.
Speaker A:I think it's important.
Speaker A:Even on the podcasting side, we meet up with all the podcasters all the time, and I'm hanging out with podcasters online.
Speaker A:Like the guys in Tennessee and the guys in Georgia and whatever.
Speaker A:I think it's important to talk to your peers and feel how things are going or to come up with creative ideas.
Speaker A:I think it's key.
Speaker A:Being insular and not talking to these people is.
Speaker A:Doesn't work.
Speaker A:Like, I like that you guys are doing this.
Speaker A:Like, that's.
Speaker A:I didn't even know there was such a thing.
Speaker A:Like, it's great.
Speaker C:You got to put yourself out there.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's been.
Speaker C:It's been really great to have that.
Speaker C:You got to have construction, constructive criticism, feedback.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Because you can't.
Speaker C:You can't have it all figured out by yourself.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker C:I started with going to, like, again, the Studio 393 at Portage Place.
Speaker C:Great space for.
Speaker A:Sorry, can you talk about that place a bit more?
Speaker A:Because this is new to me.
Speaker A:I don't know what that place places.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:I think it used to be like an old staples.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:But even with the renovations that they're doing to Portage Place, there's a studio space for creatives to come down.
Speaker C:Artists, they have break dancing classes.
Speaker C:They have some after school programming.
Speaker C:They have DJ set up there.
Speaker C:They have a recording studio, you know.
Speaker A:Holy.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So people, you can go, you can come down.
Speaker C:It's like.
Speaker C:Like, they started like four.
Speaker C:They go from four to seven, and then they have different things during the week that they focus on going there.
Speaker C:Bounce ideas off of Osani to see, like, okay, what could I do in terms of like songwriting for me, same way I do with Brian, and just have more feedback, a different perspective.
Speaker C:Go back to the drawing board.
Speaker B:You know, if you guys haven't listened to Osani, you gotta check them out.
Speaker B:That kid is amazing.
Speaker B:And that's his home base.
Speaker B:Like, that's his home.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'll definitely check it out.
Speaker A:I'll play it on our Metal Shop show.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's very unique and I love his production style.
Speaker B:It's like avant garde.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, it's only.
Speaker B:Just sounds epic.
Speaker C:It's evolved very much so too, in the past.
Speaker C:Like, I would say even a year and going there like a couple years ago and hearing it now is.
Speaker C:I think there's a.
Speaker C:At least from what I see, you have this threshold that you.
Speaker C:If you put in a number of hours.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Or you put in years of work, that there's a threshold that you eventually break through as an artist.
Speaker C:And then there's a.
Speaker C:There's like an evolution, if you will, of sound understanding and even how you want to project that or Express that, rather.
Speaker C:And, yeah, it's all about.
Speaker C:It's all about being able to push.
Speaker C:You know, you see that picture of that people, like, you know, they're hunting for the diamonds, and then one person gives up when they're right there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:The other, you know, is you take that extra step and, you know, something's waiting for you.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker C:On the other side.
Speaker B:I. I've noticed that all the hip hop people doing stuff in this city right now are not newcomers.
Speaker B:They're more like people who've stuck to it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's really the key.
Speaker B:You got to stick to it.
Speaker A:What's that?
Speaker C:Yeah, he's bending genres, you know, as it goes.
Speaker C:And it.
Speaker C:It's very.
Speaker C:Again, it's unique.
Speaker C:It's very unique.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:It's his own sound.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's interesting to see where it's going to end up or where it's going to keep going from there.
Speaker A:But I like what you're saying.
Speaker A:Like, there's that.
Speaker A:There's that maybe light bulb moment or whatever.
Speaker A:There's the point where you've done it long enough, if you've done it put enough time.
Speaker A:That 10,000 hours, you know, theory, where you.
Speaker A:You kind of get really good at something at a certain point where all of a sudden it just clicks and then you got it, you know?
Speaker A:Like, I. I believe in that.
Speaker A:Like, you know, it's true.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, I think, like, it.
Speaker A:It may sound weird, but I think somebody told.
Speaker A:Somebody told me the other day because I've been.
Speaker A:I've been doing some vocals for.
Speaker A:For people, and.
Speaker A:And I. I think my vocals have declined over the years.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because I've been singing for, I don't know, 30 years or whatever it is, and I think they're declining because you hear all these people, their.
Speaker A:Their vocals are declining.
Speaker A:And then somebody said that I sounded, like, fantastic, and, like, really.
Speaker A:And then they kind of.
Speaker A:So they actually did an analysis of a vocal I gave them, and I'm like, I didn't know I was doing any of that stuff, but I think because I've been doing it for so.
Speaker B:Long that you don't even think about it.
Speaker A:I don't think about it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that's.
Speaker A:But I think what Dre was saying, it's like.
Speaker A:It's that you hit that.
Speaker A:You hit that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That kind of that curve or where it slopes up your.
Speaker A:It's an upward climb to learning.
Speaker A:And then eventually, like, No, I know how I sound.
Speaker A:I know how to manipulate how I sound.
Speaker A:I know how to, you know, force it out.
Speaker A:I wrote, I wrote a song.
Speaker A:I didn't even tell Todd about this yet.
Speaker A:I wrote a song the other day and I wrote the song in like five minutes.
Speaker A:Like, just the lyric part.
Speaker A:I'm like.
Speaker A:And I looked at it like, did I just really do that?
Speaker A:But I know what my voice is, right?
Speaker A:Like, I know, I know what it is.
Speaker A:I know my meter.
Speaker A:I know how I sing.
Speaker A:I know my flow or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker A:And I just, and I just.
Speaker A:It just came out.
Speaker A:And then I sent it.
Speaker A:That was the Chaz, Todd.
Speaker A:I sent it to Chaz and Chaz is like, how the fuck did you come up with this?
Speaker A:I said, I wrote it in five minutes.
Speaker A:He goes, no, you didn't.
Speaker A:Yeah, I did, dude.
Speaker A:Like, I did.
Speaker A:But you know, but that's the thing, like, we're putting the time in, right?
Speaker A:Like, Brian, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker A:When you came out, I'm like, this stuff's pretty good.
Speaker A:But you've been working.
Speaker A:You've busted, you've busted your fucking ass.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you need to be commended for that.
Speaker A:You didn't go, I'm gonna try this.
Speaker A:I don't know, I'm gonna try it.
Speaker A:I'm do some.
Speaker A:No, you're like, no, I'm gonna get good at this.
Speaker A:And you persevered.
Speaker A:And honestly, man, you sound great now, but you put the work in, but you're passionate.
Speaker A:You're doing the passion.
Speaker C:You're, you're.
Speaker A:The shit's coming out of you.
Speaker A:Like, it's just coming out of you now because you actually put the work in, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, but you're not doing it as a, as a, as.
Speaker A:I'm gonna try this out.
Speaker A:No, no, you're doing it because you want to do it.
Speaker A:Like you can hear it.
Speaker B:I know exactly what I want to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's no question.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You gotta have, you got to have conviction.
Speaker C:You can't half assets if you're going to be in.
Speaker C:For me, I've always been either all in or all out.
Speaker C:I can't half ass anything that I do best.
Speaker C:Passion.
Speaker C:You know that sometimes, you know, you, you have certain, like, things that you go through.
Speaker C:Maybe something is frustrating and maybe it's not working out today.
Speaker C:Maybe you know, you're writing or it's not coming out his way, but you stay consistent otherwise.
Speaker C:And you do something like 10 minutes.
Speaker C:Like when you wake up and you have like, for Me, I have a little exercise that I'll do.
Speaker C:And you just keep doing this, keep doing this, and then eventually it's going to crack and then something is going to come out.
Speaker C:It's really something special.
Speaker C:But you always keep working at it.
Speaker C:Practice.
Speaker C:Because you don't know when that time, when that day is going to be.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker A:Amen to that.
Speaker A:I actually, you know, you're talking about the journal.
Speaker A:I've been carrying a journal around.
Speaker A:I've always had a journal.
Speaker A:I have journals full of lyrics, like, over the years.
Speaker A:And I think it's important to do that because you never know when a good idea is going to strike you.
Speaker A:But it's not bad to have a bad.
Speaker A:To have a bad idea.
Speaker A:I think it's good to have a lot of bad ideas too.
Speaker A:You just chronicle everything in a journal because you never know.
Speaker A:Sometimes you got to work through the process of shitting out a bunch of bad ideas to get to the good idea.
Speaker A:And that's okay.
Speaker A:That's normal.
Speaker A:That's not a bad thing.
Speaker A:That's actually a great thing because you're actually practicing your prose.
Speaker A:You're practicing how you're verbalizing or your beat or your cadence on how you actually rap or sing or poetry or whatever.
Speaker A:Like, you gotta find your beat, but you can't find your beat if you haven't started walking yet.
Speaker B:You know, big time.
Speaker B:Everybody starts somewhere.
Speaker C:And you'd be surprised to, maybe you.
Speaker C:You look back at that lyric or those verses or whatever you have written down, and you have a completely different perspective on it.
Speaker C:A year or two later, you're listening to a beaten.
Speaker C:Or you're listening to a lyric or a melody.
Speaker C:Now all of a sudden you're pulling something from you, what you wrote down you thought was shitty at that time.
Speaker C:And then you, you can flip it and have something different to it now.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Oh, I totally know what you mean.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have my little notepad on my phone.
Speaker B:Whenever something pops into my head, I gotta capture it right then and there.
Speaker A:Yeah, just put it out.
Speaker A:Because maybe you're like.
Speaker A:What I found is some of the stuff I would write, like 20 years ago or whatever.
Speaker A:I didn't have the ability to sing it that way yet, but the idea was still there.
Speaker A:So then you go back, go, oh, I can totally sing in that key.
Speaker A:Or I can totally.
Speaker A:You know, sometimes I would trip over my words when I was singing because I couldn't get the meter right.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But I can do that now.
Speaker A:You know, it's like, so don't get rid of anything.
Speaker B:Keep.
Speaker A:Like, I've got shelves of my old journals and stuff, you know?
Speaker A:But it's important, like.
Speaker A:And it's training, right?
Speaker A:It's the training to get to where it's those 10,000 hours, those count that, you know, that time does count.
Speaker B:They're so important.
Speaker B:I feel like a lot of people want to be on stage, they want the spotlight, but they forget the.
Speaker B:The journey is everything, dude.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:If you skip all that and you go right to being a star, you don't.
Speaker B:You're not going to enjoy it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You miss.
Speaker B:You're just going to be like, oh, cool.
Speaker C:Yeah, you miss a lot.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think Nas has, like, some lyrics like that.
Speaker C:It's like, second or third album when he's talking about being.
Speaker C:Having patience and not wanting to jump the shark so much, because you'll be either under prepared or you won't know how to handle it.
Speaker C:So whatever you got to go through, you know, accept it.
Speaker C:Go through the process.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Enjoy the process.
Speaker C:It's all about the journey, for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's why it's great, honestly, to have Dre involved, because, I don't know, it's bad.
Speaker B:Work with your friends.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:What better way, you know?
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And because there's a lot of.
Speaker C:From what I hear also.
Speaker C:I always hear it.
Speaker C:You have snakes in the industry.
Speaker B:A bunch of crabs.
Speaker C:Yeah, a bunch of crabs.
Speaker A:I was hoping.
Speaker A:See, there's been perfect segues to every single one of the songs on that ep, so I was waiting for the crab one to get into there.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think crabs is my favorite on the project, honestly.
Speaker A:It is my favorite.
Speaker A:Especially.
Speaker A:I. I really like the.
Speaker A:The scratching you're doing at the end, because I was, like, grooving on that big time.
Speaker B:That was our buddy, DJ Crispy.
Speaker A:Oh, is.
Speaker A:Was that who that is?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, I brought him in for that.
Speaker A:Oh, man, that was great.
Speaker D:I live in the city Hard pressed.
Speaker C:To see smiles on my kin Unless.
Speaker D:They get revenge or they pull it from the trends Just to fit in where we at Just out the cradle I follow crumbs and I give you a story similar to Kane and Abels Bottom of the bucket Knuckled up smoking blunts in the cut I seen others slump was rugged but we made do who knew we'd make it this far Turn a pig beat the soul food from nosebleeds the floor seats all but these visions of fatalities from cold dreams get over here now some seem limpid Wanna set me up trying to stunt wishing I was still pitching talking like they sharks they still swimming trying to pull me apart but they trippin definition just listen claws out when you rise bad vibes off a closed mind Real ones relies the first sign is jealousy and misery must company hit just a glare from my eyes when the rain turned to fire Red's name and headlines Christmas Eve I expected to shine plot twist this is suicide of what's life with crabs and making dogs cry I let the sleeping dog lie now this the fish fry she fought for Kim but they didn't see the Ben kept himself hypocrites half wit counterfeits go to hell.
Speaker D:You look selling pulling down gliding by the veil Yeti show and tell they.
Speaker C:Standing at attention now.
Speaker D:Damn Dre, they sound like a bunch of crabs to me.
Speaker D:Crab legs.
Speaker C:Surf and turf delicious crab cake.
Speaker D:Check.
Speaker D:Crabs will always need some butter and some lemon.
Speaker D:A crab will never ever do what you tell them.
Speaker D:Nor will a crab ever do what you ask them.
Speaker D:It's safe to say that these crabs they lack passion.
Speaker D:That's safe to to say that these crabs won't take action.
Speaker D:And why is everyone evolving into crabs?
Speaker D:Man, I keep the can of old bay for the seasoning you're going to need it to swallow these crabs reasoning I'll tell you something, it's a fact dude you hang with the crab you a crap too you an imitation crab stick I catch you on that crab shit you can't check quicker than a trunk pours liquor mad at me as raps because my mind sicker you cross crabs as the OG pot stickers so stereotype we use every play that we got and show these crabs that we is what they not.
Speaker D:I seen crabs on the beaches crabs in the precincts, crabs at city wall Crabs up in my skull shout out to crab skull I can feel it in my soul Never meet your heroes the ones above all these crabs they move funny but they don't make me mad man you are what you eat that's why I never eat crab I got no love for a crab in a bucket crabs in a bucket, crabs in a bucket why there gotta be crabs in a bucket?
Speaker D:Crabs in a bucket, crabs in a bucket there's no economy with crabs in a bucket crabs in a bucket, crabs in a bucket A bunch of wannabes y just crabs in a bucket crabs in a bucket, crabs in a. I'm like it.
Speaker B:I'm out.
Speaker D:Never meet your hero.
Speaker D:Never meet your heroes.
Speaker D:Never meet your hero.
Speaker D:Never meet your heroes.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:Now.
Speaker D:Fuck.
Speaker A:He was just Jamming on.
Speaker A:On the scratch.
Speaker A:And it's like.
Speaker A:It's so good.
Speaker C:He has great.
Speaker C:Yeah, he just did.
Speaker B:Yeah, we just did a show with him on Thursday, and that was the first show I actually got to do with him and.
Speaker B:Or we actually got to do with him and man, he.
Speaker B:He's way better than I thought he was.
Speaker B:I knew he was good.
Speaker C:Mixing live at a cipher that we did like 25 for 25 minutes before.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Where we got on and.
Speaker C:And it was so.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:Was so hip hop, like, and very community driven because every.
Speaker C:Any.
Speaker C:Anybody or everybody was free to come on stage to spit whatever they wanted.
Speaker B:Yeah, we had like a open cipher.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And there was this.
Speaker C:This woman there, Sage, who was doing a cipher hosting at Public Domain on Thursday.
Speaker C:That really opened it up and was like co hosting this entire thing with an amazing voice.
Speaker C:And it works, so.
Speaker C:It works so well with what, what, what?
Speaker C:DJ Crispy was also putting in with the breaks and the samples.
Speaker C:So it's very magical thing that happened.
Speaker B:It was magic, dude.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was one of the, like, probably my favorite show ever.
Speaker C:It was love.
Speaker C:It was great.
Speaker B:Like, we've done bigger stages and we've done bigger shows, but this one was just.
Speaker B:Yeah, right?
Speaker B:People were there.
Speaker C:Community showed up, you know, and everybody was having fun.
Speaker B:It was so fun, dude.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's key.
Speaker A:Key, man.
Speaker A:This was great, but we.
Speaker A:We gotta end at some point.
Speaker A:We gotta end at some point.
Speaker A:Can you guys talk about your social media stuff?
Speaker A:Where do we find you?
Speaker A:Where.
Speaker A:Where do we get the new ep?
Speaker A:How do we do all that stuff?
Speaker B:So we're on Instagram.
Speaker B:Never meet your heroes 204.
Speaker B:You can go to nevermeat your heroes.net.
Speaker B:You can go to bsraps.com Dre is.
Speaker C:What is yours.
Speaker C:What is yours on Instagram?
Speaker C:Yeah, it's a cop, so.
Speaker C:Aka, period.
Speaker C:Dre.
Speaker C:Ishkote.
Speaker C:So Ishkote is spelled I, S, H, K, O, T, E. And that just means fire in Anishna Bay.
Speaker C:Moon, Ojibwe.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker C:My cultural.
Speaker A:My heritage.
Speaker C:With Dre is this.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:It speaks for itself.
Speaker C:Like the two sides of me, right?
Speaker C:Like bringing those two cultures.
Speaker C:Cultures together.
Speaker C:Dre, you know, and then Ishkote, the, you know, fire, flame, and it's like, it works.
Speaker A:That's really cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:It's a pleasure, you know, to work alongside this.
Speaker C:This guy and to have something in terms of a platform, creative process, you know, the visuals and such, doing the reels.
Speaker C:I have a lot of fun with that.
Speaker C:So that's.
Speaker B:We gotta.
Speaker B:We got a posse cut coming out with, like, eight local rappers on it.
Speaker B:Yeah,.
Speaker C:The data that's taken up on the.
Speaker C:On the computer at that point, you.
Speaker B:Know, it's like, yeah, every time I try to play this song, my computer wants to blow up.
Speaker C:People spitting fire, you know, just like straight 16, best 16.
Speaker C:And then everyone, you know, at performances and shows like that, too, people come up, you know, if there's somebody in the crowd from that posse cut come up, spit your.
Speaker C:We have nothing against that at all.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker B:And just want to say shout out.
Speaker B:Shout out to displaced cj, the Gray Kids, Willman, Osani, Ranger System.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:We've met so many amazing people in this last year.
Speaker B:Shout out to Sully, shout out to Gaetano, and like everyone else supporting us, shout out to Lucky.
Speaker C:Yeah, the venues.
Speaker C:The venues that you have, the open mics, you know, just those platforms for those things to be possible, like Community Works.
Speaker C:When Community Works and having people, you know, show up and show out, you know, that's love.
Speaker C:So we try to, you know, return a favor as best we can, for sure.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:No, that's important.
Speaker A:It's very important.
Speaker A:I'm glad you guys are doing that because it turns me on to any stuff I hadn't heard before, too, which is good, because I'm.
Speaker A:I love absorbing any new music I can, so that's fucking great.
Speaker A:So thanks, you guys, for coming on.
Speaker A:Brian, fuck.
Speaker A:I'm sure you're gonna come back, Dre.
Speaker A:It'll be great to have you back, too.
Speaker A:I like this fucking guy.
Speaker A:I like this Drake, man.
Speaker A:He's fucking great.
Speaker C:Thanks.
Speaker C:Thanks.
Speaker A:Feels like a brother, man.
Speaker A:Feels like another brother.
Speaker A:I love it, but fuck, this is great.
Speaker A:So I'm gonna release this in.
Speaker A:Wait, two weeks, I think, or I might do it faster.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:We'll see how quick the editing goes.
Speaker A:But thanks, man.
Speaker A:This was great.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Thank you for listening, and we'll see you next week, and bye.
Speaker C:Have a good day.
