Episode 613
Double Barrel drops in: we play his tracks, talk publishing, and reveal Todd’s ‘not‑a‑shed’ masterpiece
Part One of a two-part sit-down with Darryl Barr — drummer, artist, retired forensic psych hospital veteran, and now, first-time author. The guys get to know the man behind the nickname, dig into the story behind his brand-new book, and spin a few tracks from his band along the way.
What's Coming Up
Getting to know Darryl — Before he was "Double Barrel," he was a kid with a pencil who almost had a very different career path. The guys hear how art, drumming, and a 25-year career in one of the most unusual work environments imaginable all fit into one story.
A term you'll want explained — What exactly is a "red dot," and why did Darryl build his entire book around it? You'll have to listen to find out — trust us, it's worth it.
The book — Darryl's debut book is officially out, written entirely from memory after decades on the job. The guys talk about where the idea came from, how it finally came together, and where you can grab a copy.
Music from the man himself — Darryl's also the drummer for a band called Lovable Misfits, and the guys spin a couple of tracks live on the show — with some pretty strong opinions on the production.
Todd's shed saga continues — A quick check-in on Todd's ongoing DIY project, and why he's paying for it physically this week.
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Transcript
Welcome to the sean.
Speaker A:Sean and geek.
Speaker A:The sean, geek and fast fret podcast.
Speaker A:Done.
Speaker A:Well done.
Speaker A:Okay, we're gonna use that.
Speaker A:I had a plan.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker B:Podium.
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Speaker A:What are you called?
Speaker A:Is it padd.
Speaker A:Padd.
Speaker A:Audience, audience.
Speaker A:Pawdience.
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Speaker B:What are they called?
Speaker C:Who are you?
Speaker C:No,.
Speaker A:Mountain.
Speaker B:Podiant.
Speaker A:Audience, What are you called?
Speaker A:Okay, go ahead, Todd.
Speaker A:Just tell me I'm an asshole.
Speaker D:Where did you find that?
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:Oh, that was.
Speaker A:That was the first like podcast time when we were doing the podcast that we came up with something for the podcast and that was like what, six years ago, seven years ago maybe?
Speaker A:Something like that.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:Do you remember that?
Speaker D:It brought me back.
Speaker D:It was like, what.
Speaker D:What is that?
Speaker A:I actually, I saved a couple clips.
Speaker A:They're on my stream deck.
Speaker A:But I can't play the stream deck because we're going through streamyard tonight.
Speaker A:But I actually have.
Speaker A:You did a disco version, which is this one.
Speaker A:And then I did a vocal over top of that.
Speaker A:Or multiple vocals over top.
Speaker A:And then there's the other one you did, which was the Guns N Roses version of that.
Speaker A:Same thing.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker A:You probably don't remember.
Speaker A:It was so long ago.
Speaker A:It was kind of fun.
Speaker A:Welcome to the Shonki and Fast Friend podcast.
Speaker D:There we go.
Speaker A:How you doing, brother?
Speaker D:Good in yourself.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker D:I am sore beyond belief.
Speaker A:That's the big update that everyone's waiting for.
Speaker A:But we're gonna get.
Speaker A:Well, we'll get you to share the story.
Speaker A:I think we should bring.
Speaker A:Bring on our guests before we.
Speaker A:I've got four.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker A:We have four things we have to cover today.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:Well, actually four, not even including our guest who's going to talk about stuff too.
Speaker A:So let's bring the guest on and then we can all talk about your why you're sore update.
Speaker A:But we have on Darrell Barr, also known as Double Barrel on the show.
Speaker A:He is the Rock of Gibraltar.
Speaker A:The Rock 4.
Speaker A:Gibraltar.
Speaker A:Is that right?
Speaker B:Rock for Kiki Bralter.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Kiki.
Speaker D:Like Kiki Crisis Cold.
Speaker A:Hello, sir.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:Welcome to the show.
Speaker B:What's going on, fellas?
Speaker B:Thank you for having me.
Speaker A:Yeah, this.
Speaker A:This is like kind of interesting.
Speaker A:So you've got something.
Speaker A:Oh, well, okay, hang on.
Speaker A:We're gonna talk about your stuff in a sec, but everybody really wants to know.
Speaker A:And please jump in Daryl, with your one liners.
Speaker D:That'd be great.
Speaker A:Todd, why don't you tell us why you are so sore?
Speaker D:I'm so sorry.
Speaker D:Cave and Pith.
Speaker D:No, I, I started building a shed and I, and I got the plans and kind of everyone kind of knows what's, what that's all about.
Speaker D:So I had done the base and it, and it's been raining all summer or it was like really, really hot.
Speaker D:And I couldn't really figure out when to kind of continue the process.
Speaker D:So on Saturday I had semi truck delivery, a pallet full of stuff to finish the work, to work on the, on the, on the shed.
Speaker D:So I've been working on the shed since Saturday morning until Saturday evening, probably 7pm and then the Sunday same.
Speaker D:Monday, same.
Speaker D:Today pretty much the same.
Speaker D:I kind of said, okay, enough is enough.
Speaker D:At around, you know, 3 o' clock it was like, no, I'm done now.
Speaker D:My brain is mush, my body is just, it's working against me now.
Speaker D:You stand up all day bending over and stuff and then you just, you just stiffen right up.
Speaker D:And I don't, I don't do a whole lot of stretching.
Speaker D:So it was a hard to sleep for these last couple nights.
Speaker D:And then I kept calling work.
Speaker D:Oh, I'm going to take today off for a holiday if that's okay.
Speaker D:And then later on the next day I'll call back.
Speaker D:Well, I'm going to need another day.
Speaker D:So it's supposed to rain tomorrow apparently.
Speaker A:I don't know how much vacation you get at your job, but Todd gets like what, two months plus.
Speaker D:No, six weeks I think you're only.
Speaker D:And you get a bonus week I think after you've been there for so many years, I guess.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So it's still not done but it's, I'm to the point where I've had.
Speaker D:The walls are up, I've got the, the gable roof skeleton is up.
Speaker D:So that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker D:So I got to work on, I got to put the actual roof roofing on, get that done and then, then I gotta paint it and yeah, there's more to do yet, but I, my body needs a severe break.
Speaker D:I supposed to go work out today.
Speaker D:And I was like, no, not today.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:Unless someone wants to wheel me around a cart, you know, around the, the track in a cart or a piggyback, I ain't going.
Speaker D:So yeah, so that's my update.
Speaker D:So I've accomplished some, somewhat something but I'm still not done yet.
Speaker A:As listeners of the show know, you've been, you're building like you're totally building this from scratch.
Speaker A:It's like, it's same.
Speaker D:Well this, the Weird thing is, is it's a.
Speaker D:It's an 8x10.
Speaker D:So when I looked at the bylaws for our area, 8x10 is fine, 8x12 is fine.
Speaker D:But it has to be under a certain square footage and I'm under it.
Speaker D:But I don't know how tall I can be because when I was on the roof and I'm looking at the garage going, this thing's as tall as my garage.
Speaker A:Is it really?
Speaker D:Yeah, this thing is pretty, pretty tall.
Speaker D:So I'll.
Speaker D:I'll send you pictures or.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, we have to see.
Speaker A:We need to know what it looks like.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's.
Speaker D:It's quite the.
Speaker D:The thing.
Speaker D:It's behind some trees, so it's not exactly the best.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker D:Here's.
Speaker A:Are you.
Speaker A:Oh, you're sending it in the chat.
Speaker A:All right, here we go.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Just so you can see what.
Speaker D:Let's see here how it kind of went.
Speaker A:Do you still have your chat open, Daryl?
Speaker A:Wait.
Speaker A:Oh, no, that's just in our personal chat.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker D:Oh, just.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh my.
Speaker A:Jesus Christ.
Speaker B:Todd.
Speaker A:That's not a shed.
Speaker A:That's like a.
Speaker A:Like a guest house in the back.
Speaker D:If it were longer, it would be a garage, but it's not quite.
Speaker D:10Ft isn't quite long enough.
Speaker A:That's pretty huge.
Speaker A:Daryl, did you.
Speaker A:Have you built anything, anything like minded in your yard?
Speaker B:Yeah, I actually built a house, a whole house, 20 years ago.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker B:And lost it in a divorce, but, you know, shit happens.
Speaker B:But I've also built two big, huge pole barns.
Speaker B:I used to do construction way back in the day.
Speaker B:Houses, garages, decks, all that stuff.
Speaker B:I'm with you.
Speaker B:I cannot do that anymore.
Speaker B:To save my life, I had a pole barn built at the house we're at right now.
Speaker B:Huge.
Speaker B:It's 48 by 48.
Speaker B:It's 30ft tall, you know, 16 foot sidewalls.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's massive.
Speaker B:I was like, I ain't even.
Speaker B:I'm not driving one nail into this thing.
Speaker B:I paid to have somebody else build it.
Speaker B:Screw that.
Speaker D:Yep, that'll be my next.
Speaker D:You want a deck?
Speaker D:Oh, no.
Speaker D:It's all the bending.
Speaker D:Like you're not.
Speaker D:My body is just.
Speaker D:I don't know, it's my age or what it is, but I used to be to do it all year long.
Speaker B:Now when you're 25, 30 years old, you can do that shit.
Speaker B:When you're in your 50s, not so much.
Speaker A:And still go to the bar and still come home at 3 or 4 in the morning.
Speaker A:Oh my God.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's insane.
Speaker A:Todd.
Speaker A:I didn't realize that's like.
Speaker A:Okay, you're gonna have to share the, the pictures with Daryl here in the other chat, but Christ, like, God, it'll be doing well.
Speaker D:I do things to just, just to prove to myself that I can do it.
Speaker A:Well, no, that's.
Speaker D:So I've got the.
Speaker D:So I, I've got the carport that I built 10, 10 years ago.
Speaker D:And that wasn't bad.
Speaker D:I think I just worked all day and at the end of the day I was pooped, but I was 10 years younger,.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker D:And then I built myself a Marshall lamp.
Speaker D:Like just all the components.
Speaker D:I built my own clone type of thing.
Speaker D:So I soldered it all, you know, did the whole thing just to prove that I could do it.
Speaker D:But construction, like you said, when you get up the in age, that's a little different.
Speaker D:So yeah, once this is done, it'll be like, okay.
Speaker D:My construction years are, I think, behind me.
Speaker A:That's crazy.
Speaker D:Mind you, mind you, I'm starting to go to the gym now, so who knows?
Speaker D:I might be able to, you know, do a little bit more, but recoup.
Speaker A:That like a little bit better maybe.
Speaker A:That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker B:That's the even, that's the even sadder part for me.
Speaker B:I've been lifting weights for 40 plus years.
Speaker B:You think I'd be in great shape for that kind of work.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:But, but Daryl, it's different work.
Speaker A:The question is, do you do any stretching and that kind of stuff?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I did martial arts for years when.
Speaker A:I was younger, so.
Speaker B:And I maintained that flexibility, you know, all the way up through until now.
Speaker A:That's so key.
Speaker A:I, I was doing some yard work a few years ago and I hyperextended my knee and I rehabbed it and I rehabbed it with DDP yoga, Diamond Dallas Page yoga.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker A:Hell, I do.
Speaker A:I do my yoga every night before bed.
Speaker A:You know, I don't do like 45 minutes or anything.
Speaker A:I'll do, you know, 10, I'll do five minutes up to 20 minutes depending.
Speaker A:If I'm stiff, then I'll go, you know, I'll do the full 20 and the, the last time, so, so here's to show like it actually pays off.
Speaker A:The last time I went for my massage because I had some lingering, lingering issues from working out and never stretching and being a drummer and never stretching and running and never stretching and doing, you know, being an idiot.
Speaker A:Youngin and then.
Speaker A:So she's.
Speaker A:She's been working with me for.
Speaker A:For years now.
Speaker A:And then there was a couple things that were still nagging and lingering.
Speaker A:So I'm doing.
Speaker A:She gives me homework to do every time I go.
Speaker A:And she says, okay, I think you need to work on this a little more.
Speaker A:I need you to do these kinds of stretches.
Speaker A:And I do whatever.
Speaker A:I do everything she tells me to do.
Speaker A:I don't always listen to my wife, but I listen to my massage therapist.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But I. I started doing those.
Speaker A:So the last time I was in, she's like, okay, let's test some of your mobility before, you know, we start doing the massage.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I'm standing on one leg.
Speaker A:One of my.
Speaker A:One of my bad.
Speaker A:So as we were talking, we were talking to.
Speaker A:Talking to Heath about this.
Speaker A:He's got the same problem.
Speaker A:It's that muscle that connects to your hip bone, your hip bone to your knee, and it's underneath your quad.
Speaker A:It's that muscle that runs underneath there.
Speaker A:What the hell did he call it, a TP or a ap?
Speaker B:No, tibialis is in the lower leg.
Speaker A:I can't remember.
Speaker A:It's called.
Speaker B:Anyway, 30 years.
Speaker B:30 Plus years since I took anatomy.
Speaker B:So I can't remember.
Speaker A:But anyway, that's the one.
Speaker A:So that's what I mean.
Speaker A:I stretch it.
Speaker A:Like, that's the big stretch I have to do the most because I have overdeveloped front of legs and under underdeveloped back of legs.
Speaker A:So it throws everything out for me.
Speaker A:But anyway, so I've been doing that stretch.
Speaker A:So I'm standing on one leg and she's like, okay, just stand on one leg and I'm going to pull your leg back and like, let's see how far you go.
Speaker A:And then she pulls and she's like, whoa, what's going on here?
Speaker A:Because I was able to kind of like, I looked like a freaking.
Speaker A:What's that bird that stands on one leg all the time?
Speaker D:Crane.
Speaker A:Crane.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, my leg went really far back and like, I get.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But ever since I been doing that, no lower back pain whatsoever.
Speaker A:All my lower back is related to my legs.
Speaker A:So she.
Speaker A:I do all the leg stretches and I don't know.
Speaker A:It's great.
Speaker A:But that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Massage.
Speaker A:Do you go for massage, Daryl?
Speaker B:No, never have.
Speaker B:I've always.
Speaker B:I. I've done a lot of physical work throughout my life.
Speaker B:You know, I did some logging.
Speaker B:I'd say I did construction, I did logging and I did firewood for years.
Speaker B:So that was always kind of my, my back is, knock on wood.
Speaker B:It's always been pretty good.
Speaker B:I've been lucky.
Speaker A:Well, that's good.
Speaker A:I'm good now, but I want to get Todd there.
Speaker A:So you've been doing stretching.
Speaker A:I'm doing stretching.
Speaker A:Come on, let's, let's preach to this guy here.
Speaker D:Well, I need, I need to get our, you know, routine or something to, to do.
Speaker A:Okay, well, I've got a bunch of stuff on, on MPEG or whatever the hell those video files are called.
Speaker A:MP4s.
Speaker A:I think I've got a bunch of MP4s.
Speaker A:I got one.
Speaker A:It's a 10 minute stretch routine.
Speaker A:That's the one I go to when I'm really, really, really tight everywhere.
Speaker D:Put in the, put in the Dropbox or.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the other thing.
Speaker A:So, so okay, let's, let's get into Daryl here.
Speaker A:Like why, why the hell is Daryl here?
Speaker A:So we should, we should get into that.
Speaker A:So as we know, you're the, the other half of Gibraltar or Mighty K or Kristen.
Speaker A:We've met.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:I met Kristen through In Obscuria.
Speaker A:She's always chatting on their episodes and I'm always chatting on their episodes and one day I just messaged her and I'm like.
Speaker A:Because she's hilarious and they always play clips of, of Mighty K on the show and, and she's like, she, she's a delight.
Speaker A:Like, she's very entertaining, very fun.
Speaker A:So I just randomly messaged her one day and said, look, the you do on the show is, is, is comedy gold.
Speaker A:And then her and I started talking and she sends voice memos, right?
Speaker A:That's what she sends to us and into the In Obscuria guys.
Speaker A:And I love the voice memos because when I'm driving home from work and it's such a long drive, I just listen to those and it's kind of, you know, entertainment.
Speaker A:On the way home, she always makes me chuckle.
Speaker A:She's hilarious.
Speaker A:And you jump in, you started jumping in there and your, your, your one line zingers remind me of Todd a lot because toddlers, Todd will not say anything and then throw in a zinger just like out of left field.
Speaker A:So I kind of like that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But anyway, find out.
Speaker A:You're a drummer.
Speaker A:You, you collect comic books, Is that right?
Speaker B:I used to.
Speaker B:When I was, I was younger, I used to.
Speaker B:My oldest brother still has his collection and it's massive.
Speaker B:I, I couldn't even tell you how many issues are in it.
Speaker B:He still has them all packed in plastic somewheres safe as far in some temperature controlled area.
Speaker A:As far as I know he's that extreme.
Speaker A:Mine are just under the stairs.
Speaker A:I got them all in long boxes and stuff.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker D:Poison book of choice, Mike?
Speaker B:Well, my, it's funny you're asking this because I was just listening to the DC vs Marvel episode today and my.
Speaker B:So when I was a kid, you know, a really young kid, I was this prodigy artist, you know, I was very, you know, a really good artist as a, as a child.
Speaker B:And I got a book for my, I think it was my ninth birthday, the how to Draw Comics the Marvel Way.
Speaker B:So I started drawing comics and I.
Speaker B:That was what I wanted to be, was a comic book.
Speaker B:Mine was hardcover, though.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, the hardcover.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so when I was, you know, I went all the way through high school and stuff and I know I wanted to be a rock star and the whole nine yards, but you know, art was always something that was there.
Speaker B:So I wrote a letter to Marvel Comics, you know, thinking that, you know, I am a shoo in because I'm such a good artist, right?
Speaker B:And I said, geez, you know, can I send you my comic books that I've drawn?
Speaker B:And they're like, well, no, we don't actually want you to draw comic books.
Speaker B:We want to see your portfolio full of anything but comic books.
Speaker B:And I was like, I'm like, I don't think I have that.
Speaker B:I, I think I might have copied the painting of an Iron Maiden cover somewhere along the lines.
Speaker B:I said, but drawing comic books for the last 15 years.
Speaker B:And so I never ended up, you know, I.
Speaker B:That was like kind of find.
Speaker B:Kind of finding out that like Santa Claus wasn't real kind of thing.
Speaker B:It really took the wind out of my sails.
Speaker B:But my poison when I was younger was the Ghost Rider.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:And the reason being was I was also into motorcycles at a very young age.
Speaker B:I don't know, I must have seen Easy Rider or something as a kid.
Speaker B:And I was just infatuated.
Speaker B:And of course, you know, I was a huge KISS fan.
Speaker B:So anything, you know, you know, Gene Simmons looking and anything like that had that kind of super fantasy kind of look.
Speaker B:I'm like, how can you go wrong with a flaming skeleton wearing black leather, riding a flaming chopper?
Speaker B:You can't go wrong with that, you know, and that, that was what my thing was.
Speaker A:I'm going to play this just for you, Daryl.
Speaker A:Like a, a real hippie kind of place.
Speaker A:And he came on first with this.
Speaker D:Acoustic guitar and he's playing I love.
Speaker A:Eskimos, you know, that's pretty close.
Speaker A:I had written all sorts of songs.
Speaker A:My Mother is Beautiful.
Speaker A:And then we came on.
Speaker A:Turn up the amps, we started playing and we're playing.
Speaker A:And here's another funny story.
Speaker A:I had then started another.
Speaker A:An additional.
Speaker A:Enough of that.
Speaker A:There was Gene and Paul.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And Daryl.
Speaker A:Daryl can tell you exactly where that's from, I'm sure.
Speaker A:I'm sure you know, exactly.
Speaker B:I remember it, but I couldn't tell you where it was.
Speaker A:Kiss Exposed.
Speaker A:Kiss exposed, Yes.
Speaker B:I actually, I think I had that at vhs.
Speaker A:I still have it on.
Speaker A:Well, I bought it on dvd.
Speaker A:But anyway, sorry, going with the Kiss thing.
Speaker A:So you're into Kiss, you're into motorcycles, Ghost Rider, Everything lines up.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And like I said, I wanted to be, you know, kind of the comic book artist was the fallback thing in case becoming a rock star didn't happen, which, of course it didn't happen.
Speaker B:And then I got the rug pulled out for me with that, you know, thinking that I'm gonna be a shoe in to be a comic book artist.
Speaker B:And then, of course, this is around the early 90s, too, when things were starting to move towards computer anim.
Speaker B:And I wasn't having that.
Speaker B:I was an old school, you know, pencil, pen and ink, you know, artist.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:That was what my thing was.
Speaker B:And now I hardly ever draw.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, I don't really have the time.
Speaker B:I do play a lot of music, but, you know, no more drawing except designing tattoos.
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I didn't know that.
Speaker A:That's interesting.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:All the tattoos I got are all my designs.
Speaker A:See, I did.
Speaker A:I did do some submissions a long time ago because I was working with an artist.
Speaker A:I was working with actually several artists, and just nothing.
Speaker A:Like, nothing.
Speaker A:Nothing really panned out because it's not like.
Speaker A:It's not having the talent is important, but you're not.
Speaker A:You can't get to the front door with talent.
Speaker A:Talent's not what they're looking for.
Speaker A:It's who you know.
Speaker B:Which is kind of eerily similar to the music industry, isn't it?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Honestly, like, even like.
Speaker A:Like on the podcast side of things, like, I think some doors open for us when we met certain people, right?
Speaker A:Like, you know, when the listenership got bigger because we knew certain people or, you know, that's the way everything works.
Speaker A:Like, I'm sure you could.
Speaker A:We all can relate to this.
Speaker A:Like, I know for me, I didn't, like, I. I have a decent job right now.
Speaker A:I don't think it's like A highfalutin job or anything, but it's.
Speaker A:It's a decent job and it pays pretty good.
Speaker A:But I only got this job because I knew somebody, and I only got the last job because I knew somebody and I pulled strings, and then it was like, oh, okay, you know, so and so.
Speaker A:But then the minute they see your skill set but they know you know somebody, then that's how.
Speaker A:That's the only way.
Speaker A:Any good job I've ever had was that way.
Speaker A:Like, Todd, like.
Speaker A:What about you?
Speaker A:Like, was like.
Speaker A:Because you're.
Speaker A:Because we.
Speaker A:As.
Speaker A:As Corey Morissette discussed last time he was on the show, you work for the military at a military installation in Winnipeg with super high security.
Speaker D:Who, me?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:That's what's going around through the.
Speaker A:The podcast verse.
Speaker A:Everyone's talking about your military job.
Speaker D:I used to work for Boeing Aerospace on the military side eons ago, and we used to make, basically, targets for the military to shoot down for target practice.
Speaker A:So how's that for a job?
Speaker D:That was.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker D:It was a good job.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker D:It was a very good job.
Speaker D:So it was like, you're gonna go to university or college?
Speaker D:Ah, no, I've got a really good job.
Speaker D:I wouldn't want to do that.
Speaker D:And then the world turned around, gave me a swift kick in the nuts, and went, hey, hey, you got to start over.
Speaker D:So they sold it to Bristol Aerospace, and then they said, well, we're just going to use our own people, so you're out of a job.
Speaker D:So that was nice.
Speaker A:So, Todd, how did you get your job where you are now?
Speaker D:I had to apply.
Speaker A:But did you know somebody or was this.
Speaker A:You just got lucky and they took you?
Speaker D:Well, knowing somebody was just basically knowing somebody who knew that there was an opening.
Speaker D:Not that they had any influence on it, because I already had inventory experience when I used to work for.
Speaker D:Work for Boeing, so.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:I was keeping track of all the, you know, the government assets for.
Speaker D:For all these targets.
Speaker D:You had the Vindicator and the Robot X and the Hindi helicopter.
Speaker D:There was a whole bunch of different things.
Speaker D:So, yeah, so when this thing came up.
Speaker D:But it was just a warehouse job.
Speaker D:It wasn't anything extraordinary.
Speaker D:I mean, my wage went from here, and then I had to start back way down here.
Speaker D:Like, way down here.
Speaker A:So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I've had to do that a couple times in my career, that's for sure.
Speaker A:What about you, Daryl?
Speaker A:How did you get where you are now?
Speaker A:Was it.
Speaker A:Was it knowing somebody?
Speaker B:Yep, that's how I Got the job that I retired from.
Speaker B:My cousin worked there and I, you know, it's a civil service thing.
Speaker B:So you have to take the test, you know, and score high enough on the test to be reachable to get hired, which I did, but I didn't score that high.
Speaker B:Where I got reachable to be hired right away.
Speaker B:It took like a year for me to get in there.
Speaker B:And, you know, and I kept calling my cousin, like, hey, you know, when are they gonna call?
Speaker B:When are they gonna call?
Speaker B:He's like, I'm working on it, you know, I can only do so much kind of thing.
Speaker B:But he put in the word to all the people that he knew that were responsible for hiring.
Speaker B:And when I finally got the call, they just said, well, you know, your cousin speaks highly of you.
Speaker B:We know you want the job.
Speaker B:We're just going to skip the interview process, get you right in, get you ID and your fingerprints and all that stuff.
Speaker B:And so I gave my two week notice to the job I was at, and boom, there I was.
Speaker A:And you were there for a while, right?
Speaker A:At the adult at your last job.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:25 Years.
Speaker A:Jesus, Todd, you're at 25 plus.
Speaker D:Oh, I'm 30 plus.
Speaker A:30 Plus.
Speaker D:30.
Speaker D:31 Years now.
Speaker D:I think they've got a thing.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:I'm not sure how it works there for.
Speaker D:They call it a magic 80.
Speaker D:Yeah, you can retire without any penalties or something like that.
Speaker B:So it's our.
Speaker B:Ours.
Speaker B:Ours is a little bit different because I was a law enforcement title, so I got the same retirement as like corrections.
Speaker B:So we just.
Speaker B:25 Years.
Speaker B:You get 50% of your final average salary.
Speaker B:And it doesn't matter what age you are, it doesn't matter whether you've got a whole bunch of other time from other state jobs.
Speaker B:You get 25 years, 50%.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:So what if you worked like an additional 10 years on top of that?
Speaker A:Does that, does it change anything?
Speaker B:Yeah, you'll get still, you'll still only get 50%, but the salary will be higher because the more you work, the more earn.
Speaker A:Sure, sure, that makes sense.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:Screw that.
Speaker B:I was done at 25.
Speaker B:That was a hard job to be at.
Speaker A:Now, see Segway King here.
Speaker A:See what I did there?
Speaker A:See what I did there?
Speaker B:There?
Speaker A:So you got a book coming out.
Speaker A:I think it's like next week.
Speaker A:Is that right?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:So why don't you tell us about it?
Speaker A:It sounds very interesting.
Speaker A:I'm going to put my order in soon, but I didn't want to put my order until I talked to you first.
Speaker A:Because I want to know, like, what's the best?
Speaker A:So first off, tell us what the book is.
Speaker A:Then we can talk about, like, how to.
Speaker A:Where to get it.
Speaker A:How to get it.
Speaker A:What's the way to get it that.
Speaker A:That nets you the most money, because that's.
Speaker B:Yeah, I wish it was.
Speaker B:There was some.
Speaker B:Some better way to do it, but I think it's all the same.
Speaker B:I still get the same royalty no matter who you get it.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:The book is called red.ward302, and I'll explain the title in a second.
Speaker B:I worked 25 years at a maximum security psychiatric hospital for inmates.
Speaker B:It's called a forensic psych hospital.
Speaker B:The term red dot is an old psych center term.
Speaker B:It actually comes from the.
Speaker B:There's actual red phones hanging up all around the entire facility.
Speaker B:Well, it's not now because everything's digital now and we use radios, but back then it was all analog.
Speaker B:And all you had to do was if there was a, you know, a patient fight, a staff attack, a riot, hostage situation, anything like that, all you have to do is knock the phone off the cradle and it rings down into a central monitoring room.
Speaker B:And then they send, you know, your co workers from the nearest units to you and they call it a red dot.
Speaker B:We call them psychiatric emergencies, whatever, you know, the technical term for it, but we just always say red dots.
Speaker B:And even now, even though the red dot phones are no longer even in there, they took them out actually a few years before I retired and just gave us all radios.
Speaker B:They still say when there's, you know, an emergency, they still say red dot, word, whatever, whatever, wherever it's located.
Speaker D:Cool.
Speaker A:So see, this is something you haven't talked about yet.
Speaker A:So you talked about drawing.
Speaker A:So where did the writing come out of?
Speaker B:When I was probably my first couple of years there, I.
Speaker B:As you can imagine, it's an insane asylum.
Speaker B:Quite literally an insane asylum.
Speaker B:And I started seeing things that just made me go, wow, I got to remember this stuff and write a book someday.
Speaker B:And thank.
Speaker B:Thank the good Lord I am blessed with very good memory and good recall.
Speaker B:And I wrote this book entirely from memory.
Speaker B:I never took notes, nothing.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker B:Yeah, 25 years and actually longer because I started it a year after I retired.
Speaker B:And I just, I thought that this is something that has to be written about.
Speaker B:And now with some of the high profile incidents that have happened in the last 10 years or, you know, last 10, 12 years, people are interested in this stuff.
Speaker B:They want to know about you know, what it's like to work behind, you know, inside a facility, behind the razor wire and the lock gates and all that stuff.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Okay, but I do have a.
Speaker A:Like, I'm trying to understand, too.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:But you're.
Speaker A:You're writing this, like, how the.
Speaker A:Like, you haven't written before or have you?
Speaker A:Or, like, where.
Speaker A:Like, where did this come out of?
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker A:How'd you know what to do as a writer?
Speaker B:I really didn't, to be honest with you.
Speaker B:I just started writing on my laptop.
Speaker B:I just started putting stuff together, had an idea.
Speaker B:It's basically a memoir of the.
Speaker B:The day I received the phone call from.
Speaker B:From the human resources department to come in for my IDs, to the day I walked out, my last day going into retirement.
Speaker B:And it's all points in between, and I just.
Speaker B:When I started writing it, I just started writing and, you know, and I. I've written enough research papers and college papers and stuff over the years to know how to organize.
Speaker A:Okay, so you see, you do have that background.
Speaker A:Because I'm like, yeah, like, where.
Speaker A:Where does this come from?
Speaker A:Like, how do.
Speaker A:It's not easy stringing words together.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm just a podcaster.
Speaker A:I'm not a writer, as I always say.
Speaker A:But it is hard to string the words together and make and have a flow and have a style of writing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So if you've written papers before.
Speaker A:Okay, well, that.
Speaker A:That explains a lot.
Speaker A:But were you so.
Speaker A:But because you were an artist, does your writing take aspects of your art?
Speaker A:And are you using your words to do the same thing you did when you were penciling or Dr.
Speaker B:I definitely tried to.
Speaker B:I tried to, you know, paint an image so you can sit there when you're reading it.
Speaker B:You can say, okay, I can see that person doing that.
Speaker B:I tried to be as descriptive as I could without, you know, being overly descriptive.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Hopefully people can, you know, envision what I'm talking about, but still not be bored by a, you know, word salad coming at them.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:That's cool.
Speaker A:So how so.
Speaker A:So you're.
Speaker A:You're writing this on your.
Speaker D:On your.
Speaker A:On your computer, and you've got it all together.
Speaker A:What's.
Speaker A:What's the process after that?
Speaker A:Like, how do you go from a bunch of words on your computer to actually getting in print?
Speaker B:So I ran into a friend of mine at the gym who.
Speaker A:Wait, you knew somebody?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:More segues.
Speaker D:There we go.
Speaker B:Yeah, he retired.
Speaker A:I ride a segue, too.
Speaker A:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker B:He had Retired a few years before me.
Speaker B:And we just started talking and he was telling me how he had written a couple of books, not about the facility, but, you know, just like fiction books, you know, about, like, you know, I think one of them was like a ghost story about this, where his camp is located and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker B:So I said, you know, that's interesting.
Speaker B:And I told him, I said, I started working on a book about the.
Speaker B:The psych center.
Speaker B:And he goes, oh, well, I'll put you in touch with my publisher.
Speaker B:And, you know, and this.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:So I got all that information and I contacted him.
Speaker B:I told the guy what I was, you know, gonna do.
Speaker B:He, like, immediately contacted me.
Speaker B:He's like, that is so cool.
Speaker B:He goes, really, the world is kind of ready for.
Speaker B:To something like, you know, a book about this kind of stuff.
Speaker B:And, you know, a lot of people are interested in law enforcement and corrections and whatnot.
Speaker B:And then you throw the mental health angle on it.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's a big spin, especially with some of the stuff we're seeing.
Speaker B:You know, one of the things I talk about in the book is how deinstitutionalization really affected, you know, the populace.
Speaker B:Because you take people who were otherwise, you know, institutionalized and, you know, not that I'm for institutionalizing everybody that has a mental illness, but there's some people who were institutionalized their entire lives.
Speaker B:And when the deinstitutionalization started in the.
Speaker B:In the 60s and 70s, these people were kind of put out on the street.
Speaker B:And, you know, not all of them were taken care of.
Speaker B:And it was.
Speaker B:It was a pretty big mess.
Speaker B:Some of the research I did was.
Speaker B:Was a little scary, you know, how people were ended up.
Speaker B:And unfortunately, some of them went from the mental health system to the criminal justice system.
Speaker B:That's where my job comes in.
Speaker D:There's a lot of.
Speaker D:We watch a lot of Court tv and we like to watch all the, you know, detective shows and all this stuff.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker D:And you will see some that are like, wow, that.
Speaker D:That person must have some real, you know, issues like.
Speaker D:Like the.
Speaker D:The lady who.
Speaker D:Who killed her kids and stuff, and then she tried to commit suicide.
Speaker D:And I'm imagining, you know, it where you were working.
Speaker D:I'm.
Speaker D:I'm sure there was people like that that were in there as well as probably some violent people that, you know, that shouldn't be out on the streets.
Speaker D:Like, I don't know how.
Speaker D:How if there's something that's really,.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker D:Don't say disturbed, just Kind of violent, and they end up in.
Speaker D:In the facility.
Speaker D:How does that work?
Speaker D:Like, when they come in, do they.
Speaker D:Is it like a.
Speaker D:Like a jail thing where they.
Speaker D:They fingerprint and type of thing?
Speaker D:But see, being a psychiatric area, is the intake different?
Speaker B:So what it is is it's a psych hospital, but it's a psych hospital just for the Department of Corrections.
Speaker B:So all the patients that we get are all from jails in New York State.
Speaker B:Sing Sing, Attica, Wendy, all down the line.
Speaker B:We don't get people like, who come in fresh off the street.
Speaker B:They have to go to a jail first.
Speaker B:So we do have units where we'll get people that are not sentenced or just charged with crimes.
Speaker B:And they're either there to see if they're competent to stand trial or if we can restore them to competency so they can stand trial for their crimes.
Speaker B:But nobody in there is in there because, you know, they're.
Speaker B:They're just depressed, walking around, and they need, you know, some treatment.
Speaker B:That's what the civil psych centers were for.
Speaker B:And that was the ones.
Speaker B:Those were the ones that were.
Speaker B:A lot of them were shuttered down.
Speaker B:I mean, like 80% of them over the.
Speaker B:Between the 70s and the 80s were shut down.
Speaker B:And a lot of these people were put into, you know, community housing and.
Speaker B:And whatnot.
Speaker B:And some of them just didn't get any treatment at all, unfortunately.
Speaker D:What was the reason why they shut them down?
Speaker D:Or is that so?
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:And what that was is that was in response to seeing his sister who was institutionalized, I believe, in Connecticut.
Speaker B:And she had a botched lobotomy.
Speaker B:So she was institutionalized and was, you know, basically a ward of the state.
Speaker B:So that prompted President Kennedy to say, look, you know, this, this.
Speaker B:This system isn't working.
Speaker B:We need to shut it down.
Speaker B:Which in hindsight, was probably not the best decision because it created a host of other problems, which is people being put out under the street that were otherwise institutionalized.
Speaker B:But the other thing, too, is they probably.
Speaker B:They meaning the government, could have done a better job in fixing the system instead of just trying to replace it or trying to shut it down.
Speaker B:That's one of the things I talk about in the book, is how it ended up, you know, where we started seeing people involved in the criminal justice system that would otherwise probably not be involved in the criminal justice system if they were in a civilian psych center.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:See, it was like we were saying earlier he knew somebody that was there and that's what prompted the next steps, I guess.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker A:What are you drinking there, Darryl?
Speaker B:Just water.
Speaker A:Just water.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I thought it might be a whiskey night.
Speaker B:I wasn't sure, not tonight.
Speaker B:Over the weekend, maybe I.
Speaker D:Sometimes I'll have a drink, but with.
Speaker D:With the way my body is right now, I probably pass out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Are you familiar with the Jeff Altman, Daryl.
Speaker A:The comedian Jeff Altman.
Speaker B:I've heard the name, but I don't.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:He did a.
Speaker A:So going back in time when mom and dad used to steal porn off of their satellite dish and record it for all the.
Speaker A:For all their friends.
Speaker D:Back in the 80s, we.
Speaker A:We had.
Speaker A:They had.
Speaker A:We had a satellite dish and I can't remember, was it F4?
Speaker A:I can't remember where it was pointing,.
Speaker D:But we had the place F3 and F4.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So they had the Playboy Channel.
Speaker A:In the Playboy Channel.
Speaker A:Like, despite all the soft porn or hard.
Speaker A:Whatever the porn it had.
Speaker A:It also had great comedy specials.
Speaker A:So there was this one hour comedy special that Todd.
Speaker A:Todd taped or mum taped or dad taped, I don't know, on vhs there was one hour long and it had.
Speaker A:Jeff Altman was one of the comedians on there, but also had.
Speaker A:Was it Arsenio Hall?
Speaker D:Had all the up and coming people.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It was good.
Speaker D:Whoopi Goldberg, I think was on there.
Speaker A:Who was starting?
Speaker A:Which guy?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:Whoopi Goldberg?
Speaker A:No, no, it was Marcia.
Speaker D:Marcia.
Speaker A:I mean, her big joke was.
Speaker A:Her big joke.
Speaker A:She was talking about the anorexics.
Speaker A:It's so sad.
Speaker A:Makes me so sad.
Speaker A:And she's there smoking a joint while she's doing her comment.
Speaker A:She goes, why don't they just give marijuana to anorexics?
Speaker B:Yeah, I remember her.
Speaker D:Yeah, she's laid down once.
Speaker A:They get those munchies.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:But yeah, God, I can't remember.
Speaker A:Rick Dukeman was on there.
Speaker A:There was a lot of comedians that.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't understand why they didn't make it big.
Speaker A:But Jeff Altman, I think might have been our favorite.
Speaker A:Right, Todd?
Speaker A:Or it was the most quotable.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because the.
Speaker A:The thing.
Speaker A:And we told this story in the show before, but he, he would go.
Speaker A:He always had this line where you.
Speaker D:Go, peace out, B.
Speaker A:Peace out B.
Speaker A:Peace out me.
Speaker A:Peace out me.
Speaker A:And we, we use that line in the family all the time.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker A:We quoted that whole freaking comedy special with the ass gaskets.
Speaker A:Know those little paper things you put on your.
Speaker A:On your toilet.
Speaker D:Toilet seat.
Speaker D:It's It's.
Speaker D:The printout is shaped exactly like someone's head.
Speaker D:It's like someone's in the.
Speaker D:In the factory doing this.
Speaker A:But, like, how many times did we quote that entire comedy special front to back?
Speaker A:Arsenio also, like, his whole.
Speaker A:His whole thing.
Speaker A:This is before the Arsenio hall show was out and before he kind.
Speaker A:You remember Arsenio Hall?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So, like, kind of before he had his big break and he became pals with Eddie Murphy, and then, you know, his career took off.
Speaker A:But every single monologue on the Arsenio hall show was a bit from this one comedy routine.
Speaker A:And once he used up the entire thing and all his monologues, he had no more jokes left.
Speaker A:So it was kind of funny because he was like, oh, yeah, that's from the Playboy comedy.
Speaker A:Oh, that's from the Playboy comedy special.
Speaker A:Special that.
Speaker A:Oh, that's not from the play.
Speaker A:That's not very funny.
Speaker A:It was almost like, I think someone wrote his jokes for him for that special.
Speaker A:But that was it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was it.
Speaker A:But I always thought Jeff Altman was the guy.
Speaker A:Like, they.
Speaker A:He got a big push.
Speaker A:He even got his own show, and it went nowhere.
Speaker A:Like, he didn't.
Speaker A:He didn't have the right backing behind him.
Speaker A:You know, he didn't have any Murphy behind him or anything like that.
Speaker A:But I think Jeff Altman probably could have been bigger than anyone else that was on that show on that comedy special.
Speaker A:But I. I do have.
Speaker A:Todd, I gotta send it to you.
Speaker A:I've got a full hour of Jeff Altman comedy that.
Speaker A:I found that.
Speaker A:Tracy.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:Tracy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:Okay, so we have to figure out how to get the book and what's the best place to get the book before you move on to the.
Speaker A:The next thing.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker B:A lot of people are just ordering it off Amazon.
Speaker B:I don't know if you guys can do that in Canada.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, sure.
Speaker B:I don't know if there's any.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Do you guys have, like, Amazon Warehouses up there?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:We have one in Winnipeg.
Speaker B:Yeah, right here.
Speaker B:Right through Amazon.
Speaker D:So the title is called.
Speaker A:Is it Red Dot or red dot?
Speaker B:Ward 302.
Speaker A:We've had a lot of authors on the show, and I always ask them.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, look, I can order it from Amazon, but I can also order it directly from you.
Speaker A:Or I can order it.
Speaker A:Like, I always want to order it from the best place that yields the biggest bang for the buck.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Like, as far as I know, as far as they didn't even send me a copy yet.
Speaker B:I'm like.
Speaker B:I'm like, I'm waiting for my copy here, you know?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:So did you publish through Amazon then?
Speaker A:Or did you.
Speaker A:You went through an actual publisher, you said, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it was Paul Metal Publishing is who I did it through.
Speaker A:Paul Metal.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So another reason I wanted you on the show is because I want to make sure we have, like, regular authors coming on the show.
Speaker A:I know we talk about music all the time and.
Speaker A:But I do, like.
Speaker A:And this, this comes from dad, right?
Speaker A:Todd, like dad always said, if you've got something nice to say about somebody, what are you waiting for?
Speaker A:And I always feel that if someone put something out, first time author, third time author, I don't care if someone's released something, it's our responsibility to get it out there.
Speaker A:But yeah, like, I like, we've had a lot of bands on here and a lot of authors and whatever.
Speaker A:And the idea is I just want people to know about stuff.
Speaker A:And half the time our social media, our streaming services are streaming music services.
Speaker A:It's all like, the music services.
Speaker A:It's either Taylor Swift or Drake or the Weeknd.
Speaker A:It's like, what about everyone else?
Speaker A:Like, let's.
Speaker A:I know there's incentives to promote the top artists all the time.
Speaker A:I try not to listen to the top artists as much as I can.
Speaker A:I'd rather listen to the lower artists that need those listens, you know, who are relying on those listens.
Speaker A:The same thing with authors or painters or artists.
Speaker A:Like, we've had a few comic book people on here too.
Speaker A:I like, I just.
Speaker A:We have.
Speaker A:We're lucky enough to have an international audience.
Speaker A:So it's like, it's.
Speaker A:It would be.
Speaker A:It wouldn't be right if we didn't use our platform for good, I guess.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:So it's like, you know, Gibraltar says, you know, my man, my man's got a book.
Speaker A:I'm like, well, yeah, like.
Speaker A:Like, let's do this.
Speaker A:It's a response.
Speaker A:It's a responsibility that I think all of us podcasters should do.
Speaker A:It's like, don't always promote Metallica and don't always promote Stephen King and don't always, like, it's good to talk about those, you know, those big people, but we gotta.
Speaker A:We gotta talk about the, you know,.
Speaker B:All of us someday.
Speaker B:We should do a music episode too, because I got some music on.
Speaker B:I played drum tracks for a band called the Lovable Misfits that's on Apple Music.
Speaker A:All Right.
Speaker A:Let's do that right now.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:It's called the Lovable Misfits.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm grabbing it here because the other thing I wanted to do is like, we.
Speaker A:We have this little pass or go show.
Speaker A:Pass or go segment that we do, and I like to play songs, especially if Todd hasn't heard it, it's even better.
Speaker A:And then take a listen, usually out there.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:It's like, not something I've ever heard before.
Speaker B:I played on.
Speaker B:I didn't play on all the songs.
Speaker A:Well, we're not going to play the ones you're not on.
Speaker B:Hesitation is one that I played on.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So I'm actually.
Speaker A:So the.
Speaker A:Here's the first thing I'm going to do.
Speaker A:Subscribe, because that's important.
Speaker A:And now I'm using.
Speaker A:Now, Darrell, you're not.
Speaker A:You're not familiar with this at all, are you?
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:So this is YouTube Music.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do my little.
Speaker A:My little pitch that I.
Speaker A:That I tend to do is that I know a lot of people are using Apple or using.
Speaker A:Or more specifically, a lot of people are using Spotify or Deezer or whatever.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Here's.
Speaker A:Here's my pitch, and I'm not getting paid by these guys at all.
Speaker A:But I will say I have used Spotify, have used Apple.
Speaker A:I used to use Apple back in the day when it was just itunes, you know, back in the day when, you know, you pay.
Speaker A:You pay 10 bucks and get a whole album of MP3s or whatever.
Speaker A:But the one thing that I noticed, and I did research when my wife and I decided we're going to subscribe to a service was I want a service where I get everything.
Speaker A:I don't want a service where I get some stuff.
Speaker A:So with YouTube Music, the way it works is everything that's on YouTube itself.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:Every band that has streaming music is on here, the same as on Apple and everywhere else.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But with YouTube Music, it also has YouTube as a back catalog of things.
Speaker A:So there was a period of time where Van Halen's last album was not on streaming because Dave couldn't agree with the lawyers and the Van Halen brothers couldn't agree with the lawyers, and Wolfgang couldn't agree with the lawyers.
Speaker A:And their last album, Different Kind of Truth, was not available on streaming, but it was available on YouTube and therefore available on YouTube music.
Speaker A:So every concert that someone uploads, so like a band, like our band, all of our live performances are all available on YouTube and therefore all of them are available on YouTube music.
Speaker A:So that's just something to keep in mind.
Speaker A:I know you're an Apple guide.
Speaker A:You've got your Apple stuff, which is fine, but I'm just saying the catalog is like a hundred times the size on YouTube music than any other streaming platform.
Speaker A:So that's why I went with it.
Speaker A:Now, mind you, people that upload to YouTube, the quality might be complete shit, you know, because it's just somebody with a phone, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, but there is more stuff, and like I said, like, all of our dome stuff's on there, so, you know, that's kind of cool.
Speaker A:Like, even the stuff that hasn't been released is.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's all on YouTube, therefore, on YouTube Music.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker D:Cool.
Speaker A:So I'll have to check it out.
Speaker A:Just so you know, YouTube does pay a lot better than any other platform, so.
Speaker A:Okay, so I'll definitely check just as.
Speaker A:But I mean, I.
Speaker A:If you got everything apple, it's, you know, you.
Speaker A:You kind of got to stick with what you got, but.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A:Hesitation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And what else did you play?
Speaker B:Ready?
Speaker B:Is another one okay?
Speaker B:Perpetual Motion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I don't see.
Speaker B:The last one is Radioactive.
Speaker B:That was the other one I played on.
Speaker A:I'll move.
Speaker A:Wait, is this all we got here?
Speaker A:Show all.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker A:This is the only ones they have on here.
Speaker A:There might be other ways to find it too, but.
Speaker A:All right, so.
Speaker A:And now you're playing drums on these, I'm assuming.
Speaker A:Are you doing anything?
Speaker B:Yeah, I did some vocals too.
Speaker A:A background lead?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, no, no.
Speaker B:I ain't no lead singer, for sure.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So sorry.
Speaker A:Hesitation.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You want to go with that one or you.
Speaker A:You tell me which one you want to listen to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Check it out.
Speaker A:All right, Todd, you ready for this?
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:Give her.
Speaker A:Oh, it's on mute.
Speaker C:Call me on the telephone and ask me on my moon Crazy is my reply and I ask him how about you?
Speaker C:I'll find my time and meet you there and fear you would be late Find the one that's good for you and just because they brave Cuz I. I know what you're thinking and I am thinking that way too.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker A:All right, Todd.
Speaker A:Give you.
Speaker A:Give your.
Speaker A:Give your two cents.
Speaker D:It's rocking.
Speaker D:I like it.
Speaker D:It's got a good drive to it.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So is this.
Speaker A:Is this act.
Speaker A:Is this your band or was this you doing some session work?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So this is a friend of mine who I've known for like 40 years.
Speaker B:We lost touch of each other from like the 90s, all the way up to a few years ago.
Speaker B:Mutual friend of ours said, hey, you know, the guy's name is Peter Franchell.
Speaker B:He goes, hey, do you know Peter Franchell?
Speaker B:I says, yeah.
Speaker B:I said, I've known him for years.
Speaker B:I said, I haven't seen him in a long time.
Speaker B:He says, well, he's, you know, he's a friend of ours and he's got a recording studio in his house.
Speaker B:And I'm like, awesome.
Speaker B:So we started talking and he said he has this drum kit that he can't seem to get the right sound out of the right.
Speaker B:You know, he's getting a lot of weird overtones and stuff.
Speaker B:Or would I come over and check it out and tune it up for him?
Speaker B:I said, of course.
Speaker B:So I did that, and about an hour later, I had the drum sounds that he wanted.
Speaker B:So he was happy about that.
Speaker B:And he asked me, he says, do you ever do any, you know, studio work?
Speaker B:I said, I'm really more of a live playing guy.
Speaker B:I said, but I can play in the studio.
Speaker B:And he says, well, if I send you some songs, do you think you could write some drum tracks for him?
Speaker B:I'm like, absolutely, you know, so that's how I started doing it.
Speaker B:And actually I got.
Speaker B:He's working on one right now that should be uploaded at some point in time, and then I got two more that I'm gonna be recording for him sometime in the next couple months.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:That's pretty cool.
Speaker A:See, you knew somebody.
Speaker B:Here we go again.
Speaker A:You know, it doesn't hurt that you can actually play too.
Speaker A:Pretty good.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:I, I quite enjoyed that.
Speaker A:I was kind of grooving.
Speaker A:I, I was almost air drumming there.
Speaker A:I was like, no, no, no, gotta be professional.
Speaker A:No air drumming here.
Speaker A:So, so, so they kind of gave you like a skeleton of the song and then you took it home and then.
Speaker A:And kind of worked the parts out.
Speaker B:Yep, yep.
Speaker B:Now, like, what?
Speaker B:So what I had him do is I had him send me, you know, the music with no drums on it and then send me music with what he programmed on.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Just a drum machine.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:So I get an idea of, you know, what kind of tempo he was looking for and stuff.
Speaker B:And, you know, a couple songs.
Speaker B:I listen to him like, that's, that's, that's not good.
Speaker B:That's not gonna work.
Speaker B:I gotta change that way around.
Speaker B:He's like, do what you gotta do.
Speaker B:Don't, don't go with what I got.
Speaker B:He goes, that's just a suggestion.
Speaker B:So A couple songs I changed right around the.
Speaker B:Another song in There is a Perpetual Motion.
Speaker B:And the way he had that written, it was like, I don't really like that.
Speaker B:I said, I hear, like, a Stuart Copeland kind of vibe in here.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:And so that's what I did.
Speaker B:I robbed Stuart Copeland Synchronicity too, for.
Speaker B:For that song.
Speaker B:But it's, you know, it's a really cool song, and I enjoyed playing in the studio a lot more than I thought I would.
Speaker A:I know, right?
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's one of those things.
Speaker A:It's not gonna.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:How could it be fun like that?
Speaker A:That was my initial thought about it too.
Speaker A:Like, when we were in the studio.
Speaker A:Todd, like.
Speaker A:But I mean, I'm working with Todd, so it's fine, you know, Working with Todd, it's fine.
Speaker A:Todd.
Speaker A:Todd's a really good stud.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I'm a Google engineer.
Speaker A:Now, so.
Speaker D:But our stuff was like.
Speaker D:It was just at my desk through, you know, digital stuff.
Speaker D:Now when you did it, was this in an actual studio or was it at.
Speaker D:In his house?
Speaker D:And he mic'd everything and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:How did that process work?
Speaker B:So what he has is.
Speaker B:He has basically a basement studio.
Speaker B:He's got a dedicated drum room.
Speaker B:It's actually a drum and vocal room.
Speaker B:And then we'll record whatever else basically sitting at the console.
Speaker B:You know, guitars, bass, and whatnot.
Speaker B:But the drums and vocals, he's got, you know, a room set aside just for that, and he's got it all, you know, Mike.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:For those two.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:These were your drums, or was this his drum set?
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This was actually his studio kit, the one that I tuned up for him.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:So then he's got it, like, muffled.
Speaker D:Like, there's no.
Speaker D:Usually when you're.
Speaker D:When the live kit, you probably hear like, a boing type of thing to kind of fill it out.
Speaker D:But with the studio, it's kind of like a book.
Speaker D:And then you kind of add the reverb.
Speaker D:You add the cascade.
Speaker D:You kind of add everything after the fact.
Speaker D:So how.
Speaker D:How was it.
Speaker D:How is it differently when you were playing?
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's pretty.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The drum sound is actually pretty big.
Speaker B:And then he mixes it down however he does, and adds whatever effects that he adds to it.
Speaker B:I don't know anything about that.
Speaker B:I tried learning Pro tools once, like, 20 years ago.
Speaker B:I. I almost ended up as a patient in my own facility because that's just not for me.
Speaker D:Yeah, the digital stuff's a little different.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's it's not too many options.
Speaker D:Growing up, we had like two channels.
Speaker D:The third channel was French, you know, we had two English channels and it was one that.
Speaker D:With the dial and you had to kind of turn it to try to get rid of the snow.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then you get cable.
Speaker D:Then you're lost.
Speaker D:Like, you don't even know what to watch anymore because there's just way too many.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:There's 13 channels.
Speaker A:What the hell?
Speaker B:What am I gonna do with myself?
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:I want to listen a little bit more this song, but I also want to put that perpetrator Perpetual Motion on because I want to hear some Stuart Copeland style style.
Speaker D:So let's play a couple different tunes.
Speaker D:Yeah, Listen to those.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But I love all the magic that you do I know that it's strange and crazy but it's true Yes, I love all the crazy that is you.
Speaker C:I don't wanna waste my time if you think it's overrated there's no good book I'll try my best and hope that you don't hate it Follow your heart I've always hear Things are always near Turn the corner, look around and watch me disappear Cuz I know what you're thinking.
Speaker A:What do you think production wise, Todd?
Speaker D:Great.
Speaker D:I like the.
Speaker D:The bass has got a nice bottom to it.
Speaker A:Is it just me?
Speaker A:I'm actually hearing separation between the instruments.
Speaker A:That's not something that happens anymore nowadays.
Speaker B:Well, the guy that wrote.
Speaker B:Wrote the song, wrote the music for the song.
Speaker B:He's also the one that recorded it, engineered it, produced it, mastered it, everything.
Speaker B:He did the entire thing from top to bottom.
Speaker A:So he's the singer and the guitar player then.
Speaker B:Just a guitar player.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:He's got a singer.
Speaker A:So who.
Speaker A:Who's this singer?
Speaker A:He's got a good voice.
Speaker A:I like his.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's got a killer voice.
Speaker B:I. I keep forgetting his last name.
Speaker B:He's got like an Italian last.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:Here.
Speaker A:I'm just trying to see if there's any notes about.
Speaker A:Says contributors like Max Schialdoni.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's not him.
Speaker A:That's not him.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's not a lot of information online, unfortunately, but.
Speaker B:Actually I can text him and ask him.
Speaker A:Yes, actually.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker A:Yeah, why don't you do that?
Speaker A:Because I like.
Speaker A:I said, I like giving credit where credit's due.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:I'm enjoying.
Speaker A:I'm gonna keep.
Speaker A:I'm gonna keep.
Speaker A:Daryl, I'm just gonna keep playing a bit more of the song where you're.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Message there.
Speaker C:And I am thinking that way too.
Speaker C:I know that you said that magic is for fools But I love all the magic magic that you do.
Speaker C:I know that it's strange and crazy but it's true.
Speaker C:Yes, I love all the crazy that is you, Sam.
Speaker C:Because I know what.
Speaker A:God, I'm really digging this.
Speaker A:This is actually a lot of fun.
Speaker D:It was like a sticks esque.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's pretty, pretty damn cool.
Speaker D:Like that's real cool.
Speaker A:I. I gotta talk.
Speaker A:I gotta talk.
Speaker A:I gotta talk to them about their social media.
Speaker A:Like we gotta get the word out.
Speaker A:Like yeah, get your out there.
Speaker A:Like we get, we get it.
Speaker A:We gotta help these, help this guy out and get his, his songs out there there.
Speaker B:I was actually just, just in his studio the other night with him.
Speaker B:The other band I plan is writing a bunch of songs and recording and they were doing some guitar tracks.
Speaker B:So I was just there lending my help and I asked him about, you know, hey, when do you want to start doing some rehearsals?
Speaker B:Because he wants to do some shows next summer with the Lovable Misfits.
Speaker B:I said let's start.
Speaker A:Hell yeah.
Speaker B:You know, let's start doing some rehearsals now.
Speaker B:So by next summer we're ready to roll.
Speaker B:Or you know, next spring.
Speaker B:Bianco.
Speaker B:Anthony Bianco.
Speaker A:Anthony Bianco.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:He's good.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's a real.
Speaker B:And he's a phenomenal musician.
Speaker B:Plays piano, guitar, whatever.
Speaker A:Oh, fantastic.
Speaker B:He's a really good dude.
Speaker A:Oh man, that's cool.
Speaker A:Okay, let's play this other, this other one here.
Speaker A:Let's hear some Stuart Copeland style drums.
Speaker B:Not that party.
Speaker C:Remember the times that we sat up every night Telling stories How we felt about moving Another fight.
Speaker A:Who pulled the.
Speaker C:Trigger to start the race?
Speaker C:Cuz first place wasn't us to take your best teacher is your last mistake don't learn another lesson till you hit the brakes and who said life was perpetual motion?
Speaker C:All fired up on the strength of the notion the time is gonna hold Another twist from approaching Cuz it's got.
Speaker B:All you and me.
Speaker C:So I said don't be shy and you said hang on tight I held on with all my might and we turned.
Speaker A:Okay, so folks, that was a Lovable Misfits.
Speaker A:Peter Franchise the dude.
Speaker A:Daryl Barr is the drummer.
Speaker A:This is good shit.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:I've created a little playlist here and I will share whatever we're playing on this episode.
Speaker A:I'm gonna.
Speaker A:I want to play more songs.
Speaker A:Well, I'll just share this playlist out there and people go, listen, I can probably also create one on Apple as well.
Speaker A:I do have an Apple account and I do have a Spotify account, but.
Speaker A:No, that was good shit.
Speaker A:So this song is different than the other one.
Speaker A:So are the songs kind of a little bit all over the place?
Speaker B:Yep, all of them.
Speaker B:In fact, there's some of them that have a female lead singer that people.
Speaker B:He just recorded, you know, several years ago.
Speaker B:And they're like more jazzier sounding, whereas this is like more of like power kind of poppy kind of stuff.
Speaker B:That's that song you just played that.
Speaker B:I could hear that like in an 80s movie soundtrack.
Speaker A:Oh, hell yeah.
Speaker A:You know, it's a montage with Anthony Michael hall or something.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Rom com.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, man, that was good.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I'm gonna give gos to both of those, Todd.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Daryl, are you giving those goes or you're giving those passes?
Speaker A:Are you gonna pass those?
Speaker B:Those are goes all the way.
Speaker A:You know what?
Speaker A:One thing, some people when.
Speaker A:When they're.
Speaker A:They're listening to music that they've recorded themselves or played on themselves sometimes, like.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker A:But no, you gotta be proud of that.
Speaker A:Never be embarrassed of the stuff you create.
Speaker A:Thank you for listening and we'll see you next week.
Speaker B:And bye.
Speaker A:Have a good day.
