Episode 614
Dismantle the Dictator: A Glorious Mane
Part Two of the sit-down with Darryl Barr picks up right where things left off — more music, more stories, and a lot more getting to know the man before his book officially hits shelves.
What's Coming Up
An update from the family — A quick, lighthearted check-in on a running storyline listeners have been asking about. Let's just say it involves a cast and a very tough mom.
A mentor, a trailer, and a music education — Sean tells the story of the guy who completely changed how he listens to music, and a chance reunion two decades in the making at a recent show.
How Darryl found the drums — From painting a band's backdrop as a kid to ending up behind the kit himself, Darryl walks through exactly how it all started — including the song that got him there.
High school flashbacks — Mullets, talent shows, and a side-by-side photo comparison that has the guys cracking up. You'll want to see this one for yourselves.
A mystery track — The guys play something that lands in their inbox and challenge each other to guess what — or who — they're listening to. Let's just say the answer is a surprise.
Wrapping up with the book — One last reminder on where to find Darryl's debut book and how to grab a copy before it's officially out.
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Catch Part One if you missed it, and keep an eye out for Darryl's book, officially landing soon.
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We tear into Part Two with Darryl Barr by nerding out about the little things that make creative life delicious — like the single best comic-book how-to book one of us hoards like a dragon hoards comics. I gab about learning to write comics from oddball script examples, clipping newspaper strips like a cartoon archaeologist, and how writing for comics is its own slippery beast (think screenplay meets haiku with capes). Darryl chimes in with stories and the vibe stays warm and jokey — like buddies riffing in a garage, except with fewer oil stains and more plot beats. Then we slide into music school: the tale of Jeff, the unassuming metal evangelist who turned my musical palate inside-out. I tell how he brought in a subwoofer and educated me on riffs, classical nods inside metal, and how tastes evolve (first beer, then full appreciation — hop pun intended). We relive Revocation’s 20th-anniversary set, play a chunk of "Dismantle the Dictator," and nerd out over doubled solos, triple vocal trade-offs, and a bassist who sounds like Primus on steroids. It’s loud, affectionate, and full of the kind of detail that makes musicians grin — and non-musicians suspiciously curious.
Takeaways:
- We nerded out about comic-book writing versus movie scripts — I explained panel pacing, economical dialogue, and how visual storytelling changes everything compared to a screenplay.
- I gave an update on Mom's Fight Club mishap: she broke two bones, she's got a cast, and we're all convinced she's more pissed-off than injured.
- I told the story of Jeff teaching me metal: he broke songs down like tasting hops, pointing out classical roots, riffs, and drum nuances so I learned to appreciate complexity.
- We talked about live-show culture at heavy concerts — despite moshing and pits, I observed people helping fallen fans, returning glasses, and looking after one another like a bizarre but caring family.
- I raved about Revocation's 20th anniversary set: complex harmonized guitars, three vocalists trading harsh and melodic parts, and why bands that lift up smaller acts deserve our applause.
- We shared hilarious backstage and touring anecdotes — from Anne Murray's surprisingly wild crew to mom doing surprisingly well in Fight Club — proving real life beats expectations.
- I explained how punk scenes evolved into metal lineups, using Suicidal Tendencies and Robert Trujillo as examples of how bands retool personnel to change sound and reach new audiences.
- We pitched the Patreon perks with a wink: early episodes, unedited video, Discord influence, and the chance to suggest songs or topics so listeners can literally shape the show.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Pepsi
- Pepsi Power Hour
- MuchMusic
- Headbangers Ball
- MTV
- Amazon.ca
- Amazon.com
- Patreon
- Discord
- YouTube
- Jack Daniel's
- Riot Fest
- Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
Transcript
Sam,.
Speaker B:Welcome to the Sean.
Speaker B:Sean Geek.
Speaker B:The Sean Geek and Fast Fret podcast.
Speaker B:Done.
Speaker B:Well done.
Speaker B:Okay, we're gonna use that.
Speaker B:I wanted to bring this up.
Speaker B:Have you seen this book before?
Speaker C:I've seen it, yeah.
Speaker C:I've never held it in my hand, but I've seen it.
Speaker B:It is the best comic book making book I've ever seen, hands down.
Speaker B:There's a lot.
Speaker B:When I was writing my, my, my comic book Simca years ago, it was all based on everything I picked out of this book.
Speaker B:They do have a lot of coverage of Alan Moore scripts and how Alan Moore writes a script versus, like a John Byrne or whatever.
Speaker B:There's a lot of stuff about script writing in there.
Speaker B:Which, which there was never a lot of coverage in a lot of books.
Speaker B:It was always about the art.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:There wasn't a lot about the art of writing as much.
Speaker B:And a lot of these books or it seemed to be.
Speaker B:It kind of, it didn't.
Speaker B:It wasn't a priority, it seemed, in a lot of these comic book making books.
Speaker B:But the, the, the writing for a comic book is very, very different stylistically.
Speaker B:It's like writing a script, like a movie script, but it's not the same at all.
Speaker B:So I, I learned how to write off of that.
Speaker B:Off that book.
Speaker B:So it's great.
Speaker B:I should, I. I don't know if it's in print anymore, but it's, it's fantastic.
Speaker B:Like, this thing's like phenomenal.
Speaker B:And what I did in there, I also clipped.
Speaker B:I've got a whole bunch of clippings within that book out of newspaper strips of Spider man and Superman comics that I would clip every, you know, out of the newspapers and stuff was kind of cool, but.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So I have a checklist of things we have to talk about.
Speaker B:So we talked about the shed.
Speaker B:That was tops because I, I got so many requests to find out where Todd's shed is at.
Speaker B:So we covered that.
Speaker B:We had to give an update on, on there was an altercation and now this isn't being publicized everywhere.
Speaker B:And we got to talk about this altercation that happened there was.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker B:Now we're not supposed to talk about it, but apparently there's something called Fight Club.
Speaker D:Oh.
Speaker B:So there, there's this fight circuit.
Speaker B:It kind of runs through various cities, you know, through the North America and stuff.
Speaker B:And one of them ran through Winnipeg.
Speaker B:And Anne Murray was, was touring in the Fight Club and she came through Winnipeg and mom was there and, And Murray does not have a glass jaw.
Speaker B:Mom had to crack her real hard but that still went down.
Speaker B:Mom broke two bones in her hand at Fight Club, so she is doing better.
Speaker B:She has a cast.
Speaker B:Everyone was asking how Mom's doing.
Speaker B:Mom's doing great.
Speaker B:She's more pissed off that she's hurt.
Speaker B:But I. I mean, Todd, like, Mom is like.
Speaker B:She's a fighter, and she's, you know, an injury.
Speaker D:She's gone through so many surgeries within the last couple years.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:She's still tough.
Speaker B:Is tougher than Anne Any.
Speaker B:Every day of the week.
Speaker C:You know, I got a funny Anne Murray story for you.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:So one of my jobs out of high school was I worked for the local stage hands union in Utica, you know, where I was born.
Speaker C:And, you know, I used to get all the show calls for all the concerts that came through, all the Off Broadway plays and stuff at the local theater.
Speaker C:So I get a call to do the Ann Murray concert, and I'm thinking,.
Speaker B:My God, are you kidding me?
Speaker C:Swear to God.
Speaker C:So I'm like, this is gonna suck, you know?
Speaker C:Cause music at all.
Speaker C:And usually, like, historically, the type of crew that comes with the band usually reflects the band.
Speaker C:So when Motley Crue's crew is there, they're all wild partiers and everything.
Speaker C:So I'm thinking to myself, oh, my God, Anne Murray.
Speaker C:This is probably going to be the lamest group of people I've ever worked with.
Speaker C:Within a half an hour, at least three different people asked me where they could score some blow.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like, I'm like, is this the Anne Murray show, or did Motley Crue get in here?
Speaker C:I'm like, what is going on here?
Speaker C:It was the strangest thing.
Speaker C:And they were all like, you know, it looked like Motley Crue's crew.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was insane.
Speaker C:You guys are working for Anne Murray.
Speaker D:You know, that was just to get them through the show.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:It keeps them awake so they don't miss their cues, I guess.
Speaker B:So they don't fall asleep.
Speaker C:Yeah,.
Speaker D:That's where they snow.
Speaker D:That's another.
Speaker D:You know, her song, snowbirds.
Speaker D:That's where.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's where they came from.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:And I'm talking about the same.
Speaker D:I'm talking about.
Speaker B:That's the Satan for you.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:So, yeah, Mom's fine.
Speaker B:Mom's good.
Speaker B:She's pissed.
Speaker B:She's more pissed off than.
Speaker B:Than injured, it seems like.
Speaker B:So, yeah, so that was.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So we updated people on mom because people have asked.
Speaker B:There's another update that slipped into my DMS that demanded that we talk about this.
Speaker B:And I don't know if I want to hit this yet or I want to share a song with you guys first.
Speaker C:We're gonna.
Speaker B:I'm gonna share the song.
Speaker B:I just went to the Revocation show.
Speaker B:Neither one of you, I'm sure, are familiar with Revocation?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Okay, so they're.
Speaker B:So it's almost 20 years ago, I.
Speaker D:Guess Revelation, fornication together.
Speaker D:Is that.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker A:Well, there.
Speaker B:There.
Speaker B:There's a point.
Speaker B:There's a point to me talking about this show that I went to.
Speaker B:I'm gonna play.
Speaker B:I'll play a bit and we'll.
Speaker B:We'll do a quick round of pass or go with it.
Speaker B:But almost 20 years ago, I used to work in a trailer behind a metal shop.
Speaker B:True story.
Speaker B:This isn't fabricated.
Speaker B:This isn't anything to do with the show, the.
Speaker B:This other show that Noman and Rory are on.
Speaker B:But I actually used to work in a trailer that was attached to the metal factory and I worked in there and we listened to metal all the time.
Speaker B:Now back then I was.
Speaker B:I had some pretty.
Speaker B:Some pretty hair, pretty face.
Speaker B:I think I had a pretty face, pretty hair.
Speaker B:I listened to.
Speaker B:I thought Iron Maiden was.
Speaker B:Was really maybe a little bit too heavy, you know, I liked.
Speaker B:I like some heavy music, but, you know, heavy music was like, know Def Leppard's High and Dry or Motley Crue, Shout at the Devil.
Speaker B:You know, I wasn't into heavy stuff.
Speaker B:And then I get this job in the.
Speaker B:In that trailer behind the metal shop.
Speaker B:And this guy comes in and he is the most unassuming looking guy I've ever met.
Speaker B:Big smiley face, beard, kind of like, hi, it's me.
Speaker B:You know, he's just kind of like a really, you know, kind of uppy, naturally positive, bouncy kind of guy.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, hi, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm Sean.
Speaker B:He goes, hi, I'm.
Speaker B:I'm Jeff.
Speaker B:We're working together now.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker B:And then he decides.
Speaker B:He's like, hey, do you.
Speaker B:Do you like metal?
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, yeah, man.
Speaker B:I love Motley Crue and, and Kiss, you know, Lick It Up.
Speaker B:It's pretty heavy album, you know, and.
Speaker B:And he's like, no, no, let's, you know, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:I'm gonna show you some music.
Speaker B:So he brought in.
Speaker B:Into our little trailer, he brought in a massive sound system, this big, big ass subwoofer.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And he introduced me to metal.
Speaker B:And I didn't like any of that stuff at first.
Speaker B:I hated that stuff.
Speaker B:It's like oh, my God.
Speaker B:Like, these harsh vocals and.
Speaker B:And, you know, the riffs that are so fast, you don't know what's going on.
Speaker B:And I didn't like it at first, but I don't know if I either one.
Speaker B:So I was trying to equate this, that.
Speaker B:Do you guys remember when you were kid.
Speaker B:You were kids and you had that first beer?
Speaker B:Someone passed you a beer and you had a beer.
Speaker B:Do you remember your first reaction to that beer when you drank it?
Speaker B:Did you like it or did you go, what the hell is this?
Speaker B:I liked it, like, right off the hop.
Speaker B:Pardon the pun.
Speaker B:Right off the hop.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker B:What about you?
Speaker D:Different.
Speaker D:It was different.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker D:Yeah, it was.
Speaker D:It was good.
Speaker D:It was good.
Speaker D:Later on, though, a beard, it was like.
Speaker D:Yeah, it didn't really.
Speaker D:But then you're introduced to the other stuff, the harder stuff and whatnot.
Speaker D:And then you go back to beer.
Speaker B:It's like, yeah, see, I didn't like beer.
Speaker B:Right out of the gate, I'm like, what the hell is this?
Speaker B:It's like pop.
Speaker B:It's carbonated.
Speaker B:It's like pop.
Speaker B:But it tastes like.
Speaker B:Tastes like ass.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't.
Speaker B:I didn't like it at all.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:But then, you know what?
Speaker B:You have another beer.
Speaker D:Don't taste so bad.
Speaker B:It don't taste so bad.
Speaker B:And then you have another beer and you have.
Speaker B:So over the years, you know, you have a few beers, and then you kind of learn to appreciate it.
Speaker B:You know, it's like.
Speaker B:It's like listening to Abba.
Speaker B:You might not like it at first, but after a few plays, you might be better off.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:Listening to this metal was the same thing.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, my God, this is so harsh.
Speaker B:Like, it's hard to swallow it.
Speaker B:And it's like.
Speaker B:Then the metal was like that.
Speaker B:But he's like, no, no.
Speaker B:Like, he.
Speaker B:So he would say, okay, listen.
Speaker B:Okay, well, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:I'm gonna.
Speaker B:Actually, we're gonna zoom in on this part.
Speaker B:We're not working.
Speaker B:We're just listening to music.
Speaker B:He's educating me, and he's like, pointing out, okay, I want you to listen to what the guy's doing here.
Speaker A:Look how.
Speaker B:How the guy's singing now.
Speaker B:This guy, now he's playing a classical.
Speaker B:Classical piece here.
Speaker B:There's a little.
Speaker B:Like, this is based off a Tchaikovsky or what?
Speaker B:Like, he's actually pointing out the roots of where this metal is coming from.
Speaker B:And he's educating me to like, let's take another sip of that beer now.
Speaker B:I want you to taste the hops.
Speaker B:I want you to.
Speaker B:So he's actually in as I'm listening, like, oh, there's actually way more going on in here than at first I realized.
Speaker B:So, you know, I worked with this guy for, I guess, eight years or whatever, and I really got to appreciate all different kinds of metal.
Speaker B:And he would introduce me to everything, and it was.
Speaker B:It was really cool.
Speaker B:And that's where I got my appreciation to metal from.
Speaker B:And he also introduced me to Donovan.
Speaker B:I never heard really heard Donovan.
Speaker B:You know, Sunshine Superman.
Speaker B:You familiar Sunshine Superman?
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker B:He also introduced me to Superstition.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Stevie Wonder.
Speaker B:He introduced me to Stevie Wonder properly.
Speaker B:He also introduced me to British rap.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker B:So he introduced me to a lot of music.
Speaker B:So it was like he.
Speaker B:He was giving me an education.
Speaker B:Like, you can't put a box around what you listen to.
Speaker B:You kind of have to, but you have to listen to this other music, you're not familiar and actually listen, like, listen to everything.
Speaker B:Listen to what the drums are doing.
Speaker B:Listen to what.
Speaker B:So I learned to appreciate a lot of things.
Speaker B:So one of the first, he's like, I'm gonna take you to some metal shows.
Speaker B:So he took me to a bunch of metal shows.
Speaker B:One of the first ones he took me to was revocation 20 years ago.
Speaker B:So Revocation comes through town last week, and this is their 20th anniversary tour.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, my God, I guess I went to that show 20 years ago.
Speaker B:I'm like, shit.
Speaker B:So then in my mind, I'm like, wouldn't it be funny if Jeff was there?
Speaker B:You know, like, Jeff, the guy who taught me to like metal.
Speaker B:Like, that'd be so funny if he was there.
Speaker B:And he was there.
Speaker B:I haven't seen him in forever.
Speaker C:Awesome.
Speaker B:So he was there and we caught up.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And Revocation.
Speaker B:So Revocation was like, kind of like popping my cherry.
Speaker B:My first, like, real metal, like, live show to see.
Speaker B:And I was blown away because I was blown away.
Speaker B:But when you go to a really heavy show, the crowd is nicer than you would ever have at a pop show or any other kind of.
Speaker B:There's no lunk heads, even though there's a pit and people are moshing and stuff.
Speaker B:I saw so many times that someone would fall down in the pit and people would pick them up so they did not get hurt.
Speaker B:Or someone losing their eyeglasses.
Speaker B:And the whole pit stops.
Speaker B:The glasses are picked up, handed back to the person and keeps going.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker B:The safest.
Speaker B:Even though it's kind of moshing is a little violent, but everyone looks after everybody, so it's kind of cool.
Speaker D:It's kind of ufc, you think?
Speaker D:They're really, really.
Speaker D:You know, they want to hurt each other and they're angry with each other, but they're not.
Speaker D:Like, once they're done, they give each other a hug or, you know, high five or whatever.
Speaker D:Like, it's a whole different thing versus, you know, watching any other type of fighting.
Speaker D:Even while wrestling is always.
Speaker D:You always have the.
Speaker D:The hero and the heel, and they're always, you know, at each other, and even.
Speaker B:But they're having a beer after the show.
Speaker D:Well, there's that because they're in the same dressing room.
Speaker D:But it's all for show.
Speaker B:But so I wanted.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:So what Jeff did for me 20 years ago, I want to do for you guys right now.
Speaker B:And I really want you to listen to this.
Speaker B:This is probably my favorite song of theirs, and they did play it when I saw them.
Speaker B:And they were wearing birthday hats, like little.
Speaker B:They were wearing birthday hats like, it's heavy metal, but they're wearing birthday hats on stages, these guys.
Speaker B:And smiles.
Speaker B:They're metal guys, you know, and.
Speaker B:But they're smiling.
Speaker B:They're like, we're playing on stage.
Speaker B:We're the luckiest motherfuckers out there that we get to do something we love.
Speaker B:And you guys are enjoying it.
Speaker B:We're enjoying it.
Speaker B:And everyone's fucking happy.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I've never seen a band this heavy be this happy on stage, but.
Speaker B:Okay, so I'm going to play a song called Dismantle the Dictator by Revocation.
Speaker B:I think it's off their first or second album, I can't remember.
Speaker B:And this is my favorite song.
Speaker B:And the reason I like it so much is they add in parts to the song that come from the pop world.
Speaker B:And I'm wondering if you guys can pick.
Speaker B:Pick up some of that stuff.
Speaker B:It's only 3 minutes and 58 seconds, so we'll play as much as we can.
Speaker B:Raise your hand if you're saying, sean, turn the shit off.
Speaker B:Or, Sean, we got to talk about it here.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker D:Sa.
Speaker A:With.
Speaker B:Oh, lord, lord, oh, lord.
Speaker A:No, let's.
Speaker C:Wow,.
Speaker D:What BPM is that?
Speaker C:755.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:I thoroughly enjoyed the last part of it.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:The beginning is almost like, what they call it, math metal, or it just.
Speaker D:Yeah, just.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker D:It.
Speaker D:It doesn't turn my crank so much, but it was a little more flavorful at the end.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Seem to Be.
Speaker B:Anyway, I think they're showing their influences at the end part of the.
Speaker B:It's the end part of the song that.
Speaker B:That I.
Speaker B:This is a song I go to.
Speaker B:Because the end part, because some of the groove.
Speaker B:They got grooves going on and the bass player,.
Speaker C:Like, that was.
Speaker C:That was like a really heavy Primus is what sounded like.
Speaker C:Yeah, because the way that bass was playing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they.
Speaker B:There's three singers in this band and they trade off.
Speaker B:They all traded off in this song.
Speaker B:There's two lead guitarists in the band and they trade it off in this song.
Speaker B:And you don't see this until you see them live and you're like, what's going on?
Speaker B:You're singing now or you're playing lead now?
Speaker B:And they're all.
Speaker B:But a lot of the soul.
Speaker B:Like, when I didn't realize this until I saw them live, is A lot of the solos are doubled.
Speaker B:Both guitar players are soloing together at the same exact time.
Speaker D:How the.
Speaker B:Do you solo on.
Speaker B:That's that fast and hit all the same notes at the same time?
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's redonking.
Speaker C:I was actually wondering that I said some.
Speaker C:You know, that sounded like either two guitar players playing the same thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Or it was like, you know, the.
Speaker C:You know, just doubled in the studio.
Speaker C:You know, the way it sound.
Speaker B:No, this is them, Har.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:Instead of harmony vocals.
Speaker B:This is harmony.
Speaker C:It sounded like the.
Speaker C:The last part of the guitar solo when Flirting With Disaster by Molly Hatchet, you know, that reminded me of.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's great.
Speaker B:And then there's also harmonies on.
Speaker B:On some of the harsh, harsh vocals.
Speaker B:The guitar player and the bass player will sing together in harmony together.
Speaker B:They're doing a lot.
Speaker B:And there's a lot of, like, even the drummers doing some stuff that's like, Sonny's just playing just like straight black metal or death metal or whatever.
Speaker B:But then sometimes he's like, there's like.
Speaker B:There's like funk elements of funk in there.
Speaker B:They're so.
Speaker B:There's a lot of metal in it, but they're so not metal in a lot of ways, which is why I enjoy them so much and why they've been around for 20 years and why they're a success, but they're not like Megadeth successful.
Speaker B:But they've been.
Speaker B:They've been playing.
Speaker B:I mean, so we went to this show.
Speaker B:There was three openers.
Speaker B:It was 30 bucks.
Speaker B:I'm like, how do you go wrong with that?
Speaker B:It's better than going to go see Drake play and In Canada, a Drake tickets probably starting at 400 bucks.
Speaker D:Ridiculous.
Speaker B:Like, well, why would I go see Drake and maybe one opener for 400 bucks when I can go see Revocation and bands that are up and coming that need that fucking push?
Speaker B:And here's.
Speaker B:This is what Revocation is doing.
Speaker B:You guys have never heard these guys, okay?
Speaker B:We're gonna bring them on tour because I think they're fantastic.
Speaker B:You guys haven't heard these guys.
Speaker B:We're gonna bring them on tour with us because they're fantastic.
Speaker B:They're doing the thing I was talking about earlier.
Speaker B:It's like, look, if you know something good, like, you see someone's doing something and putting something out there, you got to tell people about it.
Speaker B:And they're like, hey, we're successful.
Speaker B:We can use our success to raise these bands.
Speaker B:And that's what they do.
Speaker B:It's like.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's ridiculous.
Speaker B:Like, it.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're a great band, and I think they're fantastic.
Speaker B:I know it's not exactly both of your cups of tea, but the work they do to promote other artists that need that push, like, that alone makes these guys legendary.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker B:You know, that.
Speaker B:That's what Drake should be doing.
Speaker B:That's what the Weeknd should be doing.
Speaker B:They should be promoting the little.
Speaker B:The little guys and gals out there that are, you know, trying to make a go at it.
Speaker D:Their music is almost like, you know, you have a.
Speaker D:Your.
Speaker D:Your dinner plate.
Speaker D:You get your potatoes, you get your meat, you get your carrots.
Speaker B:You get your Todd's food analogy.
Speaker D:Like, the music, like, there was so much going on.
Speaker D:It was almost like, okay, well, let's take three or four different styles, and we're just gonna implement them in different spots.
Speaker D:It's like your dinner.
Speaker D:You just taking the whole thing and just put it in a blender.
Speaker D:Here you go.
Speaker D:You never know what.
Speaker D:What's gonna, you know, hit your taste buds.
Speaker B:It's like a jambalaya or something.
Speaker B:Oh, I get a little bit of shrimp on this bite.
Speaker B:Oh, I got a little bit of octopus or whatever.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker B:So here's the thing.
Speaker B:So the three bands that opened for them, none of them were the same style of metal.
Speaker B:None of them.
Speaker B:They're all different kinds of metal.
Speaker B:It's like, hey, I know you maybe don't like this kind of metal.
Speaker B:You're coming to see us for whatever, but we're gonna expose you.
Speaker B:So they're not only just exposing bands.
Speaker B:That need exposure, but they're also exposing you to different kinds of music.
Speaker B:So, like, Jeff.
Speaker B:Like, when Jeff was showing me, hey, there's Revocation.
Speaker B:Here's another band called Goad Horror, Goat Horse Great or Car Bomber.
Speaker B:They're all different kinds of music.
Speaker B:And it's like, here's the buffet.
Speaker B:And, like, let's.
Speaker B:So they're tourists.
Speaker B:Like, we're gonna try a little bit of this metal.
Speaker B:That metal and.
Speaker B:And that metal.
Speaker B:It was kind of.
Speaker C:I. I had a friend growing up that did almost the exact same thing to me.
Speaker C:You know, I was a huge kiss fan at 10 years old or whatever, and my buddy, who's a couple years older than me, he was like, hey, come check this out.
Speaker C:And it was unleashed in the east by Judas Priest.
Speaker C:And I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker C:I was singing that.
Speaker C:And then from there, you know, he introduced me to Iron Maiden, Queens, Reich, Metallica.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, all the big bands that I had really otherwise never heard much of, because in the early 80s, that none of that stuff was getting played on.
Speaker B:How.
Speaker B:Yeah, how are you going to hear this other.
Speaker B:Unless someone shows you.
Speaker C:He was also the guy that got me interested in playing music, too.
Speaker C:He hired me to paint a backdrop for his band.
Speaker C:And the band was called.
Speaker C:The band was called Storm.
Speaker C:It was, you know, a cheesy teenage band, but they played some cool stuff, you know, Bad Company and the Babies and stuff like that.
Speaker C:And the logo that he wanted me to do, it was.
Speaker C:You're familiar with Boris Vallejo, the painter?
Speaker C:Okay, yeah, it was a. I read Conan, so it was one of Boris's paintings where it's like this big, like, demon guy and he's like, got his hands like this.
Speaker C:And in the painting, he has, you know, like a barbarian guy and a scantily clad female.
Speaker C:But that's where my buddy wanted me to paint the band's logo in there and have this demon guy holding the first letter.
Speaker C:It was a really cool lot.
Speaker C:Took me, like, months to do this.
Speaker C:But they were playing at this big party, and I'm like.
Speaker C:I'm literally like 12 or 13 years old, and I go to this party with these guys because they have me, you know, running lights and, you know, rodying for him at, you know, 13 years old.
Speaker C:And I'm looking around and I'm watching all these people, like, totally be, like, blown away by my buddy's band.
Speaker C:And I'm like, I gotta do this.
Speaker C:This is what I. I need to do this.
Speaker C:So that's when I started picking up the drums was, Was from that?
Speaker D:Yeah, man, yeah.
Speaker D:What was your first.
Speaker D:When you got into the drums, what was the first song you learned?
Speaker C:Metal Health by Quiet Riot.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:So it was, even though, even an even funnier story.
Speaker C:A guy I banned with years after his band was playing at the local elementary school just for the kids.
Speaker C:It was kind of like an end of the school year thing.
Speaker C:And they were doing mental health.
Speaker C:And at the time, none of those guys knew the words to the song.
Speaker C:I did.
Speaker C:So I got up there and I sang the song and I got the crowd going and stuff.
Speaker C:And again, I'm like, I don't know, 13 years old or whatever.
Speaker C:So he calls me at my house.
Speaker A:He's like, dude.
Speaker C:He goes, that was really cool what you did today.
Speaker C:He goes, you want to sing for my band?
Speaker C:And I'm like, well, I really don't know how to sing.
Speaker C:He's like, don't worry about it.
Speaker C:Just come down tomorrow.
Speaker C:He gives me a set of headphones.
Speaker C:He puts an album on.
Speaker C:I don't remember what it was about the second song.
Speaker C:And he goes, you play the drums too, right?
Speaker C:And I'm like, yeah, I can play the drums too.
Speaker B:Oh, man, that.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker B:Okay, I've got another song I wanted to play.
Speaker B:I. I don't know how much time you got there.
Speaker B:I don't want to keep you too long.
Speaker C:That's quarter to ten.
Speaker C:I mean, whatever.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're retired.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, I do gotta work tomorrow, but not until 9:30, so I'm good.
Speaker B:All right, I got.
Speaker B:Shit, where'd I go now?
Speaker B:Looking for my mixes.
Speaker C:Here.
Speaker B:Here we go.
Speaker B:Okay, now, don't, don't, don't take this the wrong way, but you were telling your story earlier, and it really, really, really made me want to play this song.
Speaker B:My brother, I.
Speaker B:My brother's probably never heard this song, but it was played on the Pepsi Power Hour on Much Music, multiple times.
Speaker B:This is one of my favorite bands of all time.
Speaker B:It's the band I want to see live that I've always wanted to see live.
Speaker B:But I'm also terrified to see live because their show's getting completely out of control.
Speaker B:And I'm too old to go to a show where things get out of control.
Speaker B:But Daryl probably is gonna recognize it right away.
Speaker B:Todd, I don't think.
Speaker D:But I'm.
Speaker B:I'm very curious because this is the early age.
Speaker B:This is the early days of a very, very, very famous bass player.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker B:When he started out.
Speaker B:You guys ready for this?
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:All right.
Speaker D:Here we go.
Speaker B:Make sure it's not muted here.
Speaker B:Oh, now you see it.
Speaker B:Fucking hell.
Speaker B:Okay, well spoiled, but here we go.
Speaker A:Sometimes I try to do things, it just doesn't work out the way I want it to, and I get real frustrated.
Speaker A:I try hard to do it and I, like, take my time, but it just doesn't work out the way.
Speaker A:It's like I concentrate on real hard, but it just doesn't work out.
Speaker A:But everything I do and everything I try, it never turns out.
Speaker A:It's like I need time to figure these things out.
Speaker A:There's always someone there going, they might.
Speaker A:You know, we've been noticing you've been having a lot of problems lately.
Speaker A:You know, maybe get away and, like, maybe you should talk about it.
Speaker A:You'll feel a lot better.
Speaker A:I go, no, it's okay, you know, I'll figure it out.
Speaker A:Just leave me alone.
Speaker A:I'll figure it out.
Speaker A:You know, I'm just working on myself.
Speaker A:They go, well, you know, if you want to talk about it, I'll be here, you know, and you'll probably feel a lot better if you talk about it.
Speaker A:You talk about.
Speaker A:I go, no, I don't want to.
Speaker A:I'm okay.
Speaker A:I'll figure it out myself.
Speaker A:They just keep bugging me.
Speaker A:They just keep bugging me.
Speaker A:They build up inside.
Speaker A:It's got to be a good time to come up, but you won't laugh and stay afraid.
Speaker A:I'm not great.
Speaker B:So who is familiar with this?
Speaker D:Is that grunge?
Speaker D:Before grunge, I.
Speaker B:This is skate.
Speaker C:Yeah, Skate punk, Right?
Speaker B:Skate punk, Yeah.
Speaker C:I kind of remember these guys because I was friends with some of the skate punks.
Speaker C:I didn't really listen to their music because I was more of a metal guy, but I do remember them playing this stuff.
Speaker C:God, what early 90s, was it?
Speaker C:Late 80s, early 90s.
Speaker B: This is: Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:These guys have been around a long time.
Speaker B:They were like one of the.
Speaker B:When.
Speaker B:When skateboard culture was huge in the 80s.
Speaker B:It was suicidal Tendencies that was getting played along with Bad Brains.
Speaker B:And I remember the Dead Kennedys was another.
Speaker B:Dead Kennedys, Yeah.
Speaker B:Doa, like, all those sorts of bands.
Speaker B:Suicidal Tendencies was so big that they crossed over.
Speaker B:Despite a singer who doesn't really sound vocally very great, but he wrote lyrics that people could relate to.
Speaker B:And this is the.
Speaker B:This is the infamous song where.
Speaker B:And this got quoted and memed to death.
Speaker B:I wonder if I can find.
Speaker B:I'm gonna play just a little bit more just to get to that point, because this got Memed to death.
Speaker A:I was in my room and I was just like staring at the wall, thinking about everything, standing down, thinking about nothing.
Speaker A:And then my mom came in and I didn't even know she was there.
Speaker A:She called my name and I didn't hear her.
Speaker A:Then she started screaming, mike, Mike.
Speaker A:And I go, what?
Speaker A:What's the matter?
Speaker A:She goes, what's the matter with you?
Speaker A:I go, there's no wrong, mom.
Speaker A:She goes, don't tell me that you're out of drive.
Speaker A:I go, no, mom, I'm not on drug.
Speaker A:I'm okay.
Speaker A:I'm just thinking, you know, why don't you give me a Pepsi?
Speaker A:She goes, no, you're on drugs.
Speaker A:I go, mom, I'm okay.
Speaker A:I'm just thinking.
Speaker A:She goes, no, you're not thinking you're on drugs.
Speaker A:No, people don't act that way.
Speaker A:I go, mom, just give me Pepsi, please.
Speaker A:All I want the Pepsi.
Speaker A:And she was giving to me.
Speaker A:All I want was a Pepsi.
Speaker A:Just want Pepsi.
Speaker A:Just one Pepsi.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:The Pepsi thing is what has been used as a meme all over the place.
Speaker B:And it was that line and that song that broke these guys to the mainstream.
Speaker B:And I don't know if Pepsi ever tried to, like, do a promotional crossover with these guys, but that Pepsi line is great.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just want a Pepsi.
Speaker B:Just one Pepsi.
Speaker B:The other thing I'm not addressed.
Speaker C:The other thing that I'm hearing, there is no, Mommy, don't do it again.
Speaker B:I'll be a good boy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:That's what that reminded me of.
Speaker B:Oh, totally.
Speaker B:So it's interesting.
Speaker C:So skate.
Speaker B:So these guys went from skate punks and.
Speaker B:And they had, they.
Speaker B:They had a song called Possessed the Skate and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker B:And then they went from that to the entire lineup of the.
Speaker B:I. I don't know if it's the entire LineUp or like 90% of the lineup got replaced.
Speaker B:Oh, and they brought in a whole bunch of new players.
Speaker B:So they brought in guys that could play metal.
Speaker B:One of those guys on bass was Robert Trujillo, who eventually went on to Metallica.
Speaker B:He got his start in the Tendencies.
Speaker B:So this is where he got.
Speaker B:So he's not on this track because this is from the first album.
Speaker B:But they brought the band in and they re record.
Speaker B:Re recorded the entire first album with players who could really, really play.
Speaker B:They weren't punks, they were metal guys.
Speaker B:I'm not saying that the punk guys couldn't play, but, you know, it's a little raw around the edges.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they re recorded all the stuff.
Speaker B:And this was the band going forward and with Robert Trujillo in there and I can't remember who the guitar player.
Speaker B:The guitar was fantastic in the next incarnation of this band.
Speaker B:And these guys broke, broke through.
Speaker B:But they're anti authoritarian lyrics.
Speaker B:I mean, when was the Satanic panic guys?
Speaker B:Wasn't this around mid-80s?
Speaker B:Do you think these guys were targeted by the PMRC?
Speaker B:I think they bet you they were.
Speaker C:Probably reference, but definitely for the anti authority reference.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:And they had a song called you Can't Bring Me down, which was about pushing back, you know, against authority, basically saying, you can't say this, you can't do this.
Speaker B:And a lot of the messages in a lot of their songs were about like, you're trying to tell me how to think, you're trying to tell me how to be, you're trying to tell me how to, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:And they're like, no, no.
Speaker B:Like, I'm allowed to have feelings.
Speaker B:I'm allowed to want a Pepsi.
Speaker B:I'm not on drugs.
Speaker B:I'm actually sensitive.
Speaker B:So a lot of kids that were being sensitive and were a little introspective or a little introverted and stuff that wasn't okay.
Speaker B:You know, the kids that were playing DND and all this sort of stuff and like, oh my God, you must be like, you know, you're on drugs or something.
Speaker B:Like, there's got to be something about it that you, you're doing wrong.
Speaker B:Because we were, you know, and I was, I was that kid, you know, I was that same kid.
Speaker B:What about you, Daryl?
Speaker B:Were you introverted or were you extroverted?
Speaker B:Were you a sports guy or were you not a sports guy?
Speaker C:Kind of.
Speaker C:Kind of all of the above.
Speaker C:I was, I was a sports guy.
Speaker C:Played football, baseball, ran track, did wrestling.
Speaker C:But once I got into the music, sports kind of went by the wayside.
Speaker C:And you know, my father was like, I was kind of.
Speaker C:Because I'm the youngest and I was the last hope for my father to have a son to play college football.
Speaker C:And that didn't happen.
Speaker C:So later on, as we got, you know, as I got older, I explained to him, I said, well, dad, you.
Speaker C:Not for nothing, but in high school, you know, the cheerleaders, they were kind of cold, but the rock and roll chicks, they like to put out and have fun and party and stuff.
Speaker C:But seriously.
Speaker B:So it was, of course.
Speaker C:But yeah, I mean, I was, I was extroverted to a point where I kind of got it.
Speaker C:Tried to get along with everybody, no matter who they were.
Speaker C:No matter what they were into.
Speaker C:I didn't have any reason to be enemies with anyone, you know, So I. I kind of was extroverted because I was friends with a lot of people, but I was introverted because I really, you know, didn't go out of my way to be, you know, put myself out there and stuff.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I can appreciate that.
Speaker B:Todd.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:You kind of skirted in high school.
Speaker B:You kind of skirted a bunch of different groups.
Speaker B:Like, you were.
Speaker B:You were popular, but you weren't like, jock popular, but you were popular, like, kind of like, for different reasons.
Speaker D:Well, younger.
Speaker D:In my younger years, I was bigger into sports.
Speaker D:And of course, we lived on the.
Speaker D:We lived on a farm.
Speaker D:So everything was like, you're outside, you're climbing trees, you're running around, you're on your bike, like, you're totally active.
Speaker D:So when it came to sports, whether it was, you know, something at school, whether it was, you know, basketball or anything that was going on, I was really good at.
Speaker D:But then when the music started, the sports weren't so important anymore.
Speaker D:And then you just kind of lock yourself in your room and, you know, listen to, you know, Headpins or Def Leppard or whatever Rush, you know, and trying to.
Speaker D:To play that stuff.
Speaker D:And that was kind of my.
Speaker D:The interest kind of changed.
Speaker D:And then it was like going to the gym and working out.
Speaker D:And then it was like, if I wasn't playing guitar, it was the gym thing.
Speaker D:And then once the gym thing was like, okay, you take a break.
Speaker D:And then the guitar came back together.
Speaker D:It's like I couldn't do everything all at once.
Speaker D:It was almost like I had to concentrate on.
Speaker D:On certain things at certain times.
Speaker B:I remember, like, I used to get my ass kicked all the time.
Speaker B:Like, I was the nerd.
Speaker B:I was the guy that got picked on.
Speaker B:I was the guy that got his, you know, his.
Speaker B:His face shoved into the mud and, you know, like, it was.
Speaker B:It was horrible.
Speaker B:Until the.
Speaker B:The year that you and I were in the same school, Todd.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden, like, Todd sprouted, like, early.
Speaker B:Like he was six.
Speaker B:Six foot something, as I recall.
Speaker D:I mean, six, three, since I was 13.
Speaker B:No, but you were.
Speaker B:You were tall.
Speaker B:And I remember I would get picked on all the time.
Speaker B:And the only time I wouldn't get my ass kicked was.
Speaker B:Was.
Speaker B:Was if you were around or if my friend Richard was around and my friend Richard was in a wheelchair.
Speaker B:They're not gonna beat the shit out of some kid who's with another kid with a wheelchair because they're not gonna beat up the kid in the wheelchair.
Speaker B:Like, even they had limits.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:There's certain things they're not gonna do.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it was like those.
Speaker B:So if I hung around with you or my buddy Richard, I wouldn't get my ass kicked.
Speaker B:So I learned how to survive, not by being cool, because I'm still not cool.
Speaker B:I haven't figured that part out yet.
Speaker B:I'm not as cool as you.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker D:But, you know.
Speaker B:But I try.
Speaker B:But I don't know.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker B:I'd never fit in.
Speaker B:But I remember I used to admire Todd because, you know.
Speaker B:Oh, oh, he plays guitar.
Speaker B:You know, some of the ladies would talk about Todd.
Speaker B:Oh, he plays guitar.
Speaker B:Oh, look at the way he holds the neck of that guitar.
Speaker B:You know, I don't know if they imagined him holding them the way he holds his guitar.
Speaker D:Hey, this is all new to me.
Speaker D:I. I've never heard this from you before.
Speaker D:You didn't tell me anything about them back in the day.
Speaker B:Well, they weren't talking to you.
Speaker B:They were too, you know, intimidated by the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker B:The masculine essence.
Speaker B:Well, back then, I wouldn't say fast fit fingers.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But I never.
Speaker D:Back then, I wouldn't say, should have had a mouthful.
Speaker D:I was so introverted.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker D:Yeah, it wasn't.
Speaker D:Yeah, I wouldn't put myself out there either, so.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:It's just kind of word of.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker D:You know.
Speaker B:But when you guys would play on stage, I remember, like, they had La Boite, which was basically.
Speaker B:It was like, what's the equivalent in English, Todd Song was like, music box.
Speaker D:It's a talent show.
Speaker B:Yeah, Music box.
Speaker B:So they have talent shows.
Speaker D:The direct transition.
Speaker B:Todd's band would play.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you guys were playing.
Speaker B:You guys were playing Rush.
Speaker B:And I remember the girls in the audience going, oh, they.
Speaker B:They actually play instruments, like.
Speaker B:Because I don't.
Speaker B:I don't remember there being a ton of musicians at our high school.
Speaker B:There was a handful.
Speaker B:A very small handful.
Speaker D:Well, there was.
Speaker D:They had a.
Speaker D:Was it Aha Take on me.
Speaker D:What was it?
Speaker D:And it was.
Speaker D:They did an air band, and they had, like, cardboard box and guy doing the keyboards, and it was all pretend and.
Speaker D:And stuff.
Speaker D:And then we were kind of.
Speaker D:I think Bugamo was there.
Speaker D:They played.
Speaker D:I think they played.
Speaker B:Bugamo played.
Speaker D:I think maybe not.
Speaker D:And then we did.
Speaker D:So, yeah, there wasn't that very many live bands, but it was.
Speaker D:It was fun.
Speaker B:But, I mean, people pretended to play music, but they didn't really like, there was a small.
Speaker B:What about you, Daryl?
Speaker B:Like, growing up, like, was there a lot of musicians in your high school or junior high?
Speaker C:Quite a few.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:And you grew up, like, Utica, New.
Speaker C:York, Central New York.
Speaker B:Oh, so you were always.
Speaker C:Yeah, I mean, there was quite a few musicians there.
Speaker C:As we got a little deeper Into High School, 11th, 12th grade, you started seeing the factions kind of separate with the musicians.
Speaker C:Like, I kind of went with the more Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slayer crowd, Bon Jovi, Poison, you know.
Speaker C:But were they.
Speaker B:Were these.
Speaker B:Were these people that actually played it?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Or was these people just enjoying the music?
Speaker C:Both, but there were.
Speaker C:There's musicians too.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And I played in some bands with.
Speaker C:With a few of them here and there.
Speaker C:And, you know, I mean, we.
Speaker C:We all got along.
Speaker C:It wasn't like the Sharks versus the jets or something.
Speaker C:We all got along.
Speaker C:It's just, you know, we.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We kind of went down different pathways.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:That's interesting because, like, like, it Shitty act like there was, like, nobody.
Speaker B:The Guess who sucked.
Speaker B:The jets were lousy.
Speaker C:Anyway.
Speaker B:Sorry, I just.
Speaker B:That's my favorite sound clip.
Speaker B:I. I can't play enough of it.
Speaker B:But here, Here.
Speaker B:Here's one for you.
Speaker B:Hang on.
Speaker B:We're gonna go back to this, but I just want to play this just.
Speaker A:Because I want to take this time to say that this is real whiskey here.
Speaker A:The only people who put iced tea in Jack Daniel's bottles is the Clash, baby.
Speaker B:I don't know why I love that clip so much, but it's so good.
Speaker B:It's so good.
Speaker B:So when I move.
Speaker B:So when I moved to Winnipeg, see, See, Todd was out of high school, so we.
Speaker B:We lived in Shidiak.
Speaker B:You know, we lived in Shidiak and there was, you know, it was.
Speaker B:It was bull hunk, like, there was.
Speaker B:There was.
Speaker A:Was.
Speaker B:It was a small town, small population.
Speaker B:But when we moved to Winnipeg, I was still in high school when we moved here, and there was so many musicians at school, so it was like, whoa.
Speaker B:Like, all these people actually play instruments, so it was kind of cool.
Speaker B:So, like, so you.
Speaker B:So what was the population of Utica?
Speaker B:Was it like.
Speaker B:Was it a decent size?
Speaker C:It's not huge.
Speaker C:Back then it was maybe about a hundred thousand.
Speaker C:Now it's probably around 60,000.
Speaker B:What was the population of Shitty act?
Speaker B:Was it like 5,000?
Speaker D:It wasn't much.
Speaker B:No, we were growing up something like that.
Speaker B:So, yeah, we didn't.
Speaker B:We didn't even have a proper.
Speaker B:Did we have a proper hockey team, even?
Speaker B:I don't even know if we had that.
Speaker D:Yeah, we had.
Speaker D:Well, was the.
Speaker D:It was a high school hockey team, is what it was.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's all.
Speaker D:We didn't have, like, a national anything.
Speaker B:No, we didn't have a lot of stuff or we grew up.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, I remember moving to Winnipeg, and it's like.
Speaker B:Like, because I. I liked my Headbangers Ball because we had the satellite dish, right.
Speaker B:So I was able to watch much music.
Speaker B:And then MTV later, I was able to watch some of that stuff.
Speaker B:And I was, you know, getting into the hair metal and stuff.
Speaker B:And then where I grew up, though.
Speaker B:But it was really hard to find people that listened to the stuff I wanted to listen to.
Speaker B:And then I moved to Winnipeg.
Speaker B:It's like, everybody's fucking.
Speaker B:And this is where, like, people are listening to Iron Maiden.
Speaker B:Like, oh, that's too heavy for me.
Speaker B:Or listen to Judas Priest.
Speaker B:That's too heavy for me.
Speaker B:You know, I'm listening to Wang Chung and, you know, whatever, and Kiss.
Speaker B:But I always listen to Kiss.
Speaker B:Kiss was my, you know, my gateway to everything else.
Speaker B:But I move here, I was like, holy fuck.
Speaker B:So all, you know, I was.
Speaker B:I had a little bit of cool appeal because Todd was my brother.
Speaker B:I managed to, you know, borrow a little bit of that.
Speaker B:But I moved to Winnipeg, and then Todd was in high school with me, and then I was, like, the least cool.
Speaker B:I had good hair, though.
Speaker B:But I was the least cool person in school because, you know, everyone was listening to NXS and I couldn't stand them.
Speaker D:Daryl, did you have a mullet growing up?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:I had a glorious mane.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker C:Ask Kristen to show you the picture of our prom.
Speaker B:Well, I saw the picture.
Speaker B:She sits in the chat.
Speaker B:I saw.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what the comment I made was?
Speaker B:You look exactly like Todd in that picture because Todd has the same mullet.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was almost identical.
Speaker B:Both of you guys.
Speaker B:You guys are like twins.
Speaker D:I'd say we.
Speaker D:We should bring it back, but just the follicles.
Speaker D:Just want to, you know, Won't agree to it.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, if I tried to grow my hair back now, all I could grow would be a skull.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:I'd be parting it in circles.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Like Kim Mitchell.
Speaker D:Just do the pony in the back.
Speaker B:Do you know who Kim Mitchell is?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so we're gonna.
Speaker B:We've been going for two hours here.
Speaker B:We're gonna split this into two episodes.
Speaker B:But I want to play one thing before we go.
Speaker B:This is what gets sent to my inbox.
Speaker B:I'm not going to tell you what it is.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna play it.
Speaker B:First person who calls who this is gets.
Speaker B:I don't know, your supply of white rice.
Speaker B:Aroni.
Speaker B:I'll think of something.
Speaker B:I saw this today and I'm like.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't even know what to think.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:My God.
Speaker B:Are you guys ready for this?
Speaker B:Okay, here we go.
Speaker C:Can you hear it?
Speaker A:Not that much.
Speaker B:Good lord.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Let's begin.
Speaker B:This album is just about to be released.
Speaker B:And rule ever finish my days until I lived my life beyond the edge Run all the bells.
Speaker B:The giant But I won't put down.
Speaker A:The white fist villain Thomas and his right.
Speaker A:Rage, rage against the dying of the light Rage, rage against the dying of ram I won't go down.
Speaker A:I don't go down about a fight.
Speaker B:This is at Riot Fest.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:He's playing it.
Speaker B:Todd, you can figure out who this is, obviously.
Speaker B:Obviously, yeah.
Speaker D:William Shatner.
Speaker B:William Shatner and the.
Speaker B:His band is called the awesome.
Speaker D:They were playing.
Speaker D:I saw him.
Speaker D:It was a different tune.
Speaker D:Same.
Speaker D:Same people playing.
Speaker D:I can't remember what it was.
Speaker D:It was a Led Zeppelin or.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker D:It was this.
Speaker A:Whole set.
Speaker B:Like they're playing a whole set.
Speaker B:They're playing Crazy Train.
Speaker D:That's what it was.
Speaker B:Crazy Train, Ace of Spades, Enter Sandman.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Isn't he like 90 something years old?
Speaker B:He's 95 years old.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:His band sounds fantastic.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know who the in this band, but they're called the, which is awesome.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:I mean that at first I was like, it sounded like they took something that Jim Morrison recorded like you know, 60 years ago and, you know, transposed it over some metal.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, I'm like.
Speaker C:I recognize the voice, but why has.
Speaker B:Nobody done that yet?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, that would be awesome.
Speaker B:Take some of his poetry readings.
Speaker D:Another genre.
Speaker B:Put a metal band.
Speaker B:So pass or go.
Speaker C:Oh, I'm going all for that.
Speaker D:I want to hold album or the whole concert.
Speaker B:Well, the album's not out, but they.
Speaker B:But there's multiple songs from the set that just got released on YouTube.
Speaker B:And you know what?
Speaker B:He's fully, completely aware of who he is.
Speaker B:He's not like.
Speaker B:He's not oblivious.
Speaker B:He doesn't think he's fantastic.
Speaker B:He knows he's got a cadence and he's not a singer, but he's got a cadence to how he speaks.
Speaker B:And he's just like living in it.
Speaker C:I would love to see him.
Speaker C:I would Love to see him do, like, you know how he talks like this, but only singing it instead.
Speaker B:Well, there is some of the other songs.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's more like that.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:The thing is, like, he, he released that album.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It was like 20 years ago now, but he was playing with Ben Folds, like from Ben Folds Five, and Ben Folds was his musical director, and he put an album out and everyone's like, okay.
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker D:Remember he had an album years ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, Bill Shatner's putting out a record and he toured it.
Speaker B:Ben Folds is backing him up with his band and he's doing tour.
Speaker B:And people are like, you know what?
Speaker B:This is actually great.
Speaker B:Like, it's actually.
Speaker B:I don't know it.
Speaker B:I, I. Todd Passer guy go.
Speaker D:I'd say go.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I mean, I, I know he's not a singer.
Speaker D:And when you listen to some, like, especially Crazy Train, if you listen to it, it's like,.
Speaker B:Did you hear the Crazy Train?
Speaker D:I did.
Speaker B:Oh, you did?
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:The Crazy Train was, Was awesome.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I mean, it's William Shatner.
Speaker D:I mean, he's got.
Speaker D:He's got that star power.
Speaker D:So, I mean, it's like, if it would have been anyone else, it like.
Speaker D:But because he is who he is, it works.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I would actually consider buying the album.
Speaker D:I don't know, Gangnam Style or.
Speaker D:What's that guy's name?
Speaker B:Yeah, Psy or whatever.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Works for me.
Speaker B:That's a go for me.
Speaker B:Maybe better than what Dolly was doing with.
Speaker B:With her, you know, rock album that she put out.
Speaker B:I don't know how good that is.
Speaker D:Is anyone listening to that if I've heard it?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:She's got, like, Brian.
Speaker B:I think Brian Mays on there and, and.
Speaker B:And Dave.
Speaker B:Well, Dave Grohl's on everyone's album.
Speaker B:I'm sure he showed up on our album.
Speaker B:We weren't even aware of it, but he's on everyone's album.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:To me, this seems a better fit.
Speaker B:Dolly did a rock album because she got inducted to the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and she turned the award down.
Speaker B:They said, well, we're putting you in anyway, so tough titties, you know.
Speaker B:So that's when she won.
Speaker D:As well.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So might as well do one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So she said, well, I better do a rock album now, I guess.
Speaker B:So she did one.
Speaker B:You know, it's a good on her.
Speaker B:She actually wrote.
Speaker B:She did write a song or two for the Album, but I don't know.
Speaker B:Pretty cool.
Speaker D:I have to try and listen to it.
Speaker B:All right, we are.
Speaker B:We're gonna sign off here.
Speaker B:Todd, we gotta talk about the Patreon real quick.
Speaker A:Quick.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker B:Anything you want to say about the Patreon?
Speaker B:Todd's got a script.
Speaker B:Going to read the script.
Speaker D:Well, we've got.
Speaker D:Let's see, we've got three tiers for Patreon.
Speaker D:Let's see here.
Speaker D:We get the Certified Geek, which is the first tier, which is $5 a month early access to episodes and fully unedited video up to a month before public release.
Speaker D:Name mentioned on the show as a supporter.
Speaker D:Tier 2, which is the True Geek, which is $10 a month.
Speaker D:Everything in Tier 1, exclusive access to the Discord server, behind the scenes content and bloopers.
Speaker D:Tier three, supreme geek, which is $20 a month.
Speaker D:Everything in tier one and two, a personal video message from the host recorded just for you when you join.
Speaker D:Name handle featured on the show.
Speaker D:Social media as a top supporter.
Speaker D:Now, was there not something regarding the Discord server?
Speaker D:Something had changed with the tears.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're.
Speaker B:If you are part of the Patreon, you will have access to effect how our show works.
Speaker B:You're gonna get to add topics to the topic board.
Speaker B:You're gonna be able to ask pass, add pass, or go categories.
Speaker B:If you want us to play a song on the show and talk about it and surprise Todd with a song he's never, ever heard before, that's where you do it.
Speaker B:Join us on the Patreon and you can make suggestions and shape how the show is formed.
Speaker B:We have a new Patreon.
Speaker B:Andrew has joined our Patreon Time.
Speaker D:Andrew.
Speaker B:Andrew, yes, From Soupful.
Speaker B:Sorry, Head full of radio, the Radiohead podcast, and also Alphabet Soup, which is a podcast that plays music one letter at a time.
Speaker B:We also just shout out the rest of the patrons real quick.
Speaker B:We've got Ronald, George Moore, Sam Thompson, Ruby Tony Griggs, Corey Morissette, Kevin Brown, Danny Pabst, and Dwayne Hoffman.
Speaker D:Sweet.
Speaker B:All right, Daryl, one last time.
Speaker B:Where's your book?
Speaker C:Amazon.
Speaker B:What's it called?
Speaker C:Red.ward302,.
Speaker B:Amazon CA in Canada, Amazon.com in the US and it's there.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, is it there?
Speaker B:Or you can pre order it.
Speaker C:You can pre order it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And some people are saying that it's.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:Wasn't supposed to be released until next week, but some of the people that, you know, are on my Facebook said that theirs is coming like in the next couple days.
Speaker B:So they must.
Speaker B:Oh, sweet.
Speaker C:I guess.
Speaker B:Gotta put my order in.
Speaker D:Sweet.
Speaker C:Do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Daryl, thanks for coming.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker C:It's good.
Speaker C:Good.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker D:This is.
Speaker B:It was fun.
Speaker B:We covered a lot of.
Speaker B:A lot of ground.
Speaker C:Do it again sometime.
Speaker D:For sure.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, it was pretty effortless.
Speaker B:So it was good.
Speaker C:Good deal.
Speaker B:We'll see everybody on the flip side.
Speaker B:Thank you for listening, and we'll see you next week.
Speaker B:And bye.
Speaker B:Have a good day.
