Episode 606
Spin the Wheel O' Spite with Nathan Dueck: A Fun Dive into 1979!
We welcome a very special guest this episode—Nathan Dueck, Winnipeg-born author now calling Calgary home. Nathan has written poetry, tried unsuccessfully to win hearts with it, and has just released his latest book: a collection of self-deprecating anecdotes that may or may not be funny. He's cautiously optimistic.
But before we get there, we have a crisis on our hands. Sean shaved his beard. The complaints are rolling in. The polls are not looking good. It may be the single greatest controversy in the show's history—and that's saying something.
Nathan's Mennonite upbringing in Winkler opens up a fascinating conversation about cultural identity, language, religious heritage, and what it means to grow up inside a community so tight-knit you don't even realize it's unusual until you leave. It turns out Sean and Todd's Acadian Catholic roots have more in common with Nathan's experience than anyone expected—railroad tracks, basement drinking, and detention for speaking the wrong language included.
From there the conversation takes some genuinely unexpected turns involving book covers, Netflix, water cooler culture, comic books, and one very important Spider-Man suit. Plus a deep dive into a guitarist so talented that Sean thinks his current gig is a waste of his abilities. And Prince. Lots of Prince.
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Transcript
Cue the music.
Speaker B:To the sun.
Speaker B:Podcast.
Speaker C:Yeah, you got it, folks.
Speaker C:It's me again with a little aptitude for all you out here in white bread land.
Speaker C:Let's see, we're on 92 FM.
Speaker C:Man, it feels like a nice clean little band so far.
Speaker C:No one else is using it.
Speaker C:The price is right.
Speaker C:This is bigger than friendship.
Speaker D:This is what you call cosmic.
Speaker C:And the Buddhists call it the mystery of reincarnation.
Speaker A:Hey, wait a minute.
Speaker B:Since when is Pismo beach inside a cave, I wonder.
Speaker B:You know, I just think we should have turned left at Albuquerque and maybe a right trying to Fudgeola.
Speaker B:Who do you think you're talking to?
Speaker B:I don't take orders from anyone.
Speaker B:Shush.
Speaker A:Hush, please.
Speaker A:Can't talk, little man, but can't play none either.
Speaker C:Welcome to the Sean Geek and Fast Fret podcast.
Speaker C:It's like a big exhale at the end, old man sounds.
Speaker C:I just got off from the couch.
Speaker D:Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's about right.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Right out of the gate, Todd.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:Apparently we're.
Speaker C:We're getting like a ton of complaints.
Speaker D:Oh, no.
Speaker D:Why?
Speaker C:And they're.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker C:I think they're blaming you.
Speaker C:Oh, they're blaming whoever.
Speaker C:The clean shaven face, baby face McGinnity.
Speaker C:It's not going over at all.
Speaker C:It's the biggest fail of the show.
Speaker C:Shaving that beard.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, that's my fault.
Speaker C:It's a bigger fail than the time we had Corey Morrissette on.
Speaker D:Oh, geez.
Speaker D:Oh, no, no.
Speaker C:I should have said Kevin Brown.
Speaker C:We don't like Kevin Brown, do we?
Speaker C:Hey, by the way, in certain news, the.
Speaker C:The Kevin Brown diss track, which was the Kevin Brown kiss track, right.
Speaker C:Debuted on the Seaside Pod review where I just take shots at him for 3 minutes and 22 seconds.
Speaker C:Went over like a lead balloon.
Speaker C:Just the way I like it.
Speaker D:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:Fun stuff, fun stuff.
Speaker B:Little Randy, can't you see Brown so wrong.
Speaker B:But at least he likes Vine.
Speaker B:He's realizing for Speedy Creek bloody down for the 30.
Speaker B:But we are no longer blind.
Speaker B:Not from wake up of three degrees.
Speaker C:But anyway, we're going to do something a little bit different today.
Speaker C:Well, a little bit different actually.
Speaker C:Almost exactly.
Speaker C:Like two weeks ago.
Speaker C:Something almost exactly two weeks ago.
Speaker C:But we're going to take a spin on it because we don't play by no rules.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying, Bruce Lee freak.
Speaker B:Just what Kingswood needs.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:To quote, no retreat, no surrender.
Speaker C:We don't like Bruce Lee here.
Speaker C:I don't know why I like Bruce Lee.
Speaker C:He's a good guy.
Speaker D:You know what?
Speaker D:I don't think I've ever seen a Bruce Lee movie.
Speaker C:Oh, come on.
Speaker D:I watched the Van Damme ones.
Speaker D:I've.
Speaker D:I've watched the Steven Seagal ones.
Speaker D:I've watched the Texas Lone Ranger.
Speaker D:What the hell's his name?
Speaker D:Chuck Norris.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know what, Todd?
Speaker C:Everybody hated me shaving the beard off, but I think now the polls are.
Speaker C:Are in and you are the most hated man on the Sean Geek podcast.
Speaker D:Oh, great.
Speaker C:You've just taken the title.
Speaker C:Good for you.
Speaker C:Good for you.
Speaker C:It's good to have goals.
Speaker C:Thank you, Todd.
Speaker A:Now you're number one in my favorite people list.
Speaker A:You just bumped yourself up, mister.
Speaker D:Well, there's Charlie Chan or Charlie Chan.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker D:Charlie Chan.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:Who's the other guy?
Speaker C:Jackie Chan.
Speaker D:Jackie Chan.
Speaker D:Charlie Chan.
Speaker D:Charlie Chaplin.
Speaker C:He was the actor from like the 30s or whatever it was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Chaplain.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, but well done.
Speaker C:I mean, not well done, but okay.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's our intro.
Speaker C:That's our intro.
Speaker C:Bullshit stuff.
Speaker C:Okay, So I wanna.
Speaker C:We're gonna play things a little bit different today.
Speaker C: We have the author of: Speaker D:1984.
Speaker D:I hope.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no.
Speaker C:This is a better year.
Speaker C:1984 Was a good year for music and a bad year for George Orwell.
Speaker C:But no, this week we have on Nathan.
Speaker C:Wait.
Speaker C:Russell Duik.
Speaker C:Nathan Russell Duik.
Speaker A:You nailed it.
Speaker C:The author of so you know Weird pronunciation.
Speaker C:It's not like dweck or sell, but.
Speaker A:You messed up with Russell.
Speaker A:It's actually Russell.
Speaker C:It is Roselle.
Speaker A:Are you serious?
Speaker C:I thought I was in trouble there.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So you've Canada or Canada as mighty cases?
Speaker D:Canada.
Speaker C:Canada.
Speaker C:So you've written some books.
Speaker C:You've vacated our province for greener pastures out in the West.
Speaker C:We're going to talk to you, we're going to ask about your work, but we're also going to get into some nerdy too.
Speaker C:So, quick spiel.
Speaker C:What'd you do?
Speaker C:What have you written?
Speaker C:And a very.
Speaker C:A brief biography.
Speaker C:And we'll kind of touch on touch points as we.
Speaker C:As we go.
Speaker A:First, I have to thank you both, Sean and Todd, for having me on your podcast.
Speaker A:I feel perfectly comfortable speaking to somebody who calls himself Sean Geek.
Speaker A:Since Nathan Nerd seems just so comfortable in this environment.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:At ease.
Speaker A:I've written a few books.
Speaker A:I've been grateful that some people have read them.
Speaker A:There's still some of them are even available.
Speaker A:I started writing poetry in undergraduate 21 years ago and I got a book published out of that.
Speaker A:Then I took a 10 year break because it turns out that chicks didn't like my poetry and.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:No, you'd be sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, I honestly thought this would unlock a lot of.
Speaker A:Of hearts for me.
Speaker A:And they say they stay sealed probably even tighter than before.
Speaker A:But I came back after getting married with a second book of poetry, then a third after having a child.
Speaker A:And this is the fourth book, but it's not poetry.
Speaker A:I'm trying something different since I've had such blistering success with my previous publications.
Speaker A:This is, this is a book of self deprecating anecdotes that might be funny.
Speaker A:Jury is still.
Speaker A:I'm hoping that they will elicit laughter or at least mild amusement.
Speaker A:But that's what this book is about.
Speaker C:Yeah, I related to a lot of the stuff in there and it's so, it's so you're back.
Speaker C:So let's just cover where this comes from.
Speaker C:So background.
Speaker C:You said is.
Speaker C:Is Mennonite.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker C:Is that correct?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was, I was born in Winnipeg, where I stayed for as long as it took my mother to heal.
Speaker A:And then I was raised in Winkler among all of the other Mennonites.
Speaker A:And we are avowedly and proud of our, our heritage in Winkler, where the vast majority of us are Mennonite, which is a little bit difficult to understand if you're from out of town or if you've never left the perimeter, because I'm not casting any aspersions.
Speaker A:But if you haven't left the perimeter, you.
Speaker A:You've been surrounded by Mennonites, you may not have been able to identify them because we blend in pretty well.
Speaker A:We're like nondescript, camouflaged white folks who happen to have a very religious, like a strict religious heritage.
Speaker A:And there's a bunch of ethnicity tied into it with like, with holidays and eating patterns, which I didn't really think of as odd.
Speaker A:That was just plain normal to me, being raised in my, my small town, which is now a surprisingly large city.
Speaker C:It's huge.
Speaker A:And it didn't even occur to me that I was Mennonite because I never met somebody who wasn't until I moved back to the city to start university at the age of 18.
Speaker A:So that is my heritage.
Speaker A:I was like, I was steeped and it was a stew that I was boiling and not knowing that it was so hot until I left and cooled off and then took a look around and like, oh my gosh, people are way more fun on this side.
Speaker C:So this is almost like the Stephen King novel.
Speaker C:The Dome.
Speaker C:So you've actually.
Speaker C:You were in the dome or outside the dome.
Speaker C:I'm not sure which side it would have been.
Speaker A:And then I was inside the dome.
Speaker A:The dome dropped, eviscerated a cow straight in half.
Speaker A:We ate our side of the calf and the other cow just.
Speaker A:Just, like, flopped.
Speaker A:And then I left the dome.
Speaker A:I'm not sure if that story.
Speaker A:I think there was aliens at the end of that novel.
Speaker C:Oh, maybe those are the people from Alberta, I think.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:See, I've watched all kinds of, you know, the.
Speaker D:The shows like Breaking Amish and, you know, all these other.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker D:Just all the religions.
Speaker D:There's always in intricacies.
Speaker D:What do they call it?
Speaker D:They're just.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker D:They're.
Speaker C:They're.
Speaker D:They all have their own little, little differences.
Speaker D:And I've been kind of fascinated by that.
Speaker D:And I'm not too sure what the difference is between, say, a Mennonite community versus, say, just for argument's sake, say a Roman Catholic community.
Speaker D:Like, is there any difference at all?
Speaker D:Like, because you say your eating patterns and the other things are all different.
Speaker D:So what does that mean?
Speaker A:Well, you're getting into it now.
Speaker A:You buckle up.
Speaker A:So what happens is that the Mennonites and the Amish and the Hutterites are related.
Speaker A:Way back in the day, they were all a break off from.
Speaker A:What was that point?
Speaker A:Mainstream Christianity.
Speaker A:We call ourselves Anabaptists, which roughly means that we baptize people upon confession of their faith when they're adults.
Speaker A:And we all hold.
Speaker A:Yeah, so that's.
Speaker A:That's a primary big difference between us and the Roman Catholics.
Speaker A:But we also are, like, avowed pacifists.
Speaker A:Like, that's a big part of our culture as well, which is one of the reasons why my ancestors came to Canada.
Speaker A:Roughly 100 years ago, my most recent ancestors came to this country.
Speaker A:And what happened was these people came to Western Canada.
Speaker A:There's a bunch of us that are in Ontario, but that's a little bit different.
Speaker A:My ancestors are Russian Mennonites, and the ones in Ontario are very more Amish Mennonites, which are close to the Dutch.
Speaker A:And we formed these communities, farming communities, primarily in southern Manitoba and in Saskatchewan.
Speaker A:And some of us even found our way all the way up to B.C.
Speaker A:And we tried to keep to ourselves to maintain our religious.
Speaker A:I'm going to say purity, even though I feel unclean saying that.
Speaker A:And then over the years, we became sincerely unclean and far more impure.
Speaker A:Society.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:We infiltrate society.
Speaker A:And now, like, if you look at a Mennonite without your they live sunglasses on, we just look like everyone else.
Speaker A:But then the second that you like Rod, your Roddy Piper, put on your shades.
Speaker A:You can see our really strange, deformed faces telling you how to live.
Speaker A:Because the, like, the on the ground practical difference between a community of observant Mennonites and a community that's predominantly Catholic is that the Mennonites are far more strict about certain social mores.
Speaker A:Like, we are not allowed to drink as part of our culture.
Speaker A:My hometown was.
Speaker A:Was proudly dry when I was growing up, so we just drink in the basement and in the closet.
Speaker A:Whereas the Catholics.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker D:Same just in hiding.
Speaker A:My experience, Catholics feel perfectly comfortable just drinking out in the open because that's what the Pope would do.
Speaker C:Well, you know the funny thing, I, like, I used to work in Stein.
Speaker C:I worked in Steinbach for two years.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So there's a large Mennonite community there now.
Speaker C:This was when.
Speaker C:I don't know how long I'd been in Winnipeg.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:Probably not that long, I guess.
Speaker C:So I didn't know anything about Mennonite culture any or any of that stuff.
Speaker C:So I get a job down in Steinbach because it paid well.
Speaker C:And so I went down there and I, you know, shaved my head.
Speaker C:And I get a lot of looks because that was weird.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker C:But I. I know it's not like it was pretty strict at the time, but now there's, like the expansion.
Speaker C:And this was like, I don't know, 15 years ago probably.
Speaker C:So I think since then, now there's a liquor store there.
Speaker C:Now they serve alcohol in the restaurants.
Speaker C:So there's a kind of a change of culturalization or deculturalization, I guess that kind of happened.
Speaker A:Let's call it secularization.
Speaker A:And I'll tell you something, too.
Speaker C:That's a big word, like gymnasium.
Speaker A:Oh, just.
Speaker A:We call it gymnasium in Winkler.
Speaker A:We were like.
Speaker A:We were like this, like the.
Speaker A:The step sibling to.
Speaker A:To.
Speaker A:To your experience.
Speaker A:Your experience was like, with the more worldly Mennonites because they got the liquor store before we did.
Speaker A:And they get really cranky when you start pointing out how worldly, uncompromised they are like the rest of you heathens.
Speaker D:So you married a Mennonite person?
Speaker A:No, I didn't.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:Were you banished?
Speaker A:I hope not.
Speaker A:I was just home a little while ago and nobody seemed to, like, cast dispersions or roll their eyes when I was around.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:No, I was.
Speaker A:I left and I never came back, which I feel really kind of guilty about now, but I moved to Winnipeg, got a degree, got another degree, moved to Calgary, got another degree.
Speaker A:And while in Calgary I met a nice young woman who is half English and half Scottish.
Speaker A:And now we have very confused children because they have this very heavy, ethnically weighted name.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker A:But they don't feel the same ethnic or religious pull that I was.
Speaker A:Like, I have lost my sense of gravity around them.
Speaker A:If I can do that.
Speaker B:You haven't had a nine till you have an anime baby Come come over.
Speaker A:And make things all right should try.
Speaker B:To tie you down but it's useless to fight Cuz you haven't had a night till you've had a man.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker C:That's actually not like from like when we grew up, Todd, because we grew up in a.
Speaker C:In an Acadian town and.
Speaker C:Acadia.
Speaker C:Acadia.
Speaker C:I don't know if you.
Speaker C:Do you know the Acadians?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Oh, for sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So we're both Acadian.
Speaker C:And it's like French, but like, it's like a Roman Catholic, like very staunch Roman Catholic sort of stuff.
Speaker C:And like there was even, I think there was a few nuns.
Speaker C:Or was there nuns in school with you, Todd, because you're a bit older than me.
Speaker C:I'm not that old.
Speaker C:No, but you're like three years older because there was a couple.
Speaker C:It's like in our parents's era.
Speaker C:No, no, we did a couple of nuns at grade one to three.
Speaker D:Well, you know what?
Speaker D:I think there may have been retired nun because she was mean.
Speaker D:Yeah, my grade one teacher.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:What do you mean?
Speaker C:And everyone was terrified of that lady.
Speaker C:Who is it?
Speaker C:I can't remember her name though.
Speaker C:Therese.
Speaker C:Or.
Speaker C:No, not Therese.
Speaker D:That was grade two.
Speaker C:Might be.
Speaker D:Yeah, but so being English, we never really spoke a whole lot of French.
Speaker D:Like we did a little bit, but not, you know, so we get the class, it's like all French and she's talking to me and I'm just.
Speaker D:I'm the teachers.
Speaker C:Just to clarify, the teachers do not know how to speak any English.
Speaker C:So they dumped a bunch of two, like me and my brother in a French school where they didn't speak any English.
Speaker C:They didn't even know how to speak English.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker C:Sorry, go on, Todd.
Speaker D:Yeah, so.
Speaker D:So I had a.
Speaker D:A pretty long ear for the first year because she would always grab you by the ear.
Speaker D:But then there was another guy, Joel Cassidy, that was in my class and he had the same thing.
Speaker D:But his.
Speaker D:His mom was actually.
Speaker D:I don't know, she was Deaf or she couldn't talk, but she.
Speaker D:It was.
Speaker D:It was sign language.
Speaker D:So he.
Speaker D:He didn't really know any French either.
Speaker D:So he was kind of.
Speaker D:Yeah, we both had long years back then,.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So in your dunk tank style of immersion, did you pick up any French?
Speaker A:Are you now fluent?
Speaker D:Oh, he graduated from French school.
Speaker D:So it started in grade.
Speaker D:Like, it was totally French.
Speaker D:It wasn't this French immersion thing where it's English and then you learn French.
Speaker D:This was totally French as soon as you walked.
Speaker D:And the same thing even when it kept the high school.
Speaker D:And, you know, a lot of people are talking English and French, but they would just get their nose out of joint.
Speaker D:Gaetan o' Doyle would walk by and hear someone scary.
Speaker D:He'd hear someone here say a couple English words and he'd just stop in his tracks and he'd turn around and then he.
Speaker D:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, I got.
Speaker C:He caught me.
Speaker D:French only.
Speaker C:I got detention for a week on my lunch break.
Speaker C:I was speaking English to my friend Richard, and I got detention for a week.
Speaker A:That's your own time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:No, no, not there.
Speaker C:You're in my school.
Speaker C:You're going to speak our language.
Speaker C:There was also.
Speaker C:There was also this weird bias against.
Speaker C:There was like a divide between the English and the French.
Speaker C:And that has to do with the Acadian upbringing, too, I think, because the French came over to Canada.
Speaker C:They came and they, you know, they.
Speaker C:They mingled with the locals and then they, you know, they were doing things together and trade and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker C:And then the British came or the English came, and then they came and said, yeah, you know, we're just going to kill a bunch of people.
Speaker C:So they just killed a bunch of people.
Speaker C:So the French have a hatred for the English, and the English have a hatred for the French there.
Speaker C:And there's a real divide.
Speaker C:I think there's even a set of railroad tracks, like the.
Speaker C:Oh, they're from the other side of the tracks.
Speaker C:Like in the city, in the town we grew up in.
Speaker C:Like, I know when dad found out I was.
Speaker C:I was dating an English girl, he was.
Speaker C:He was very angry.
Speaker C:How dare you.
Speaker C:She's from the other side of the tracks.
Speaker C:I'm like, what.
Speaker C:What does that even mean?
Speaker A:Like, I didn't know the history of colonialism has invaded your romantic life.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I don't understand everything.
Speaker C:Like, I don't understand everything where you're coming from, but I think there's some kind of similarities in any sort of, like, you know, Religious culture or whatever.
Speaker D:Where.
Speaker A:Well, in this case, there's actually an interesting overlap because language is one way in which you can form a border between cultures.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And so the Mennonites that I was raised with, my father's first language was Low German, which is a dialect of German.
Speaker A:And he learned English by being in the world with other people, but at home they spoke Low German as their primary language.
Speaker A:And for generations before that, the language had actually been a way to barriers out of a barrier between Mennonites and the people outside of their community.
Speaker A:And only a handful of people could actually traverse that boundary meaningfully.
Speaker A:And strangely, what I've been learning their history in Eastern Europe, those people were often Jewish.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Jewish people who came through oftentimes to trade goods and services would.
Speaker A:Would be allowed into the Mennonite community and then allowed to leave the Mennonite community and go back and forth.
Speaker A:The reason I'm bringing this up is because French language in Quebec now is one of those things like a shibboleth that shows if you're inside or outside of the community.
Speaker A:And yeah, the province is, in my opinion, quite rightly, concerned about diluting the language, the infiltration of the dominant culture, specifically English culture, or more specifically, American culture.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So language and culture in that sense, in my understanding, are intimately talented.
Speaker A:And this is why I'm actually a bit of a problem, because my parents, both Mennonite, both fluent and Low German, they decided they didn't want me to know Low German.
Speaker A:We were exclusively English.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A: that I was born at the end of: Speaker A:I'm part of a generation that decided that they were just not going to learn that language.
Speaker A:So the people in my small town, which is now a small city, they became really concerned as the city was evolving because the youth, me, didn't respect the traditions of their.
Speaker A:Their elders.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so it's very peculiar now because I am, I. I like, I dabble in the mother tongue, but I am in no means fluent.
Speaker A:And when you go to Winkler now and I'm kind of like, this is your tourist guide telling you he's got a good Winkler, because you're going to hear people speak a language that to themselves, and then immediately, once you ask them a question, they'll turn and speak English perfectly well.
Speaker A:But what's interesting also is that there are certain cultural standards that people maintain there that my children find very strange.
Speaker A:They don't know low German, because I don't speak the language fluently, and I haven't.
Speaker A:Grandpa talks a little German sometimes.
Speaker A: h I haven't lived there since: Speaker A:And we see people in what they call traditional dress, which looks very much like when you see huda rights at Costco, that's almost identical to the types of clothing that my grandparents would have worn, but my parents didn't.
Speaker A:So it's been like a progression over the 20th century to the 21st century of shedding certain of the vestiges of the Mennonite culture while asking ourselves, what does it mean to be Mennonite?
Speaker A:Because we are so easily camouflaged.
Speaker A:We can walk around with cargo shorts and, like, trucker caps just like everybody else, and we do this so that we can fit in.
Speaker A:But at the same time, there's some part of the culture that lingers, and oftentimes it's lingering through resentment or anger because people don't like the repression of the nature of their parents or their church community that they were raised while trying also to have some kind of understanding of why this was important to your ancestors.
Speaker A:In that way.
Speaker A:It's similar to what you just described as Acadian culture, because this wasn't a choice you made.
Speaker A:It was the environment in which you were raised.
Speaker A:It was the bathwater that you sprung out of.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You still want to know why was this important?
Speaker A:Why was it important?
Speaker A:I'm so curious.
Speaker A:Why was it important in high school that you were speaking English?
Speaker A:That's ridiculous.
Speaker A:Everybody.
Speaker A:There was fluency.
Speaker A:Two languages.
Speaker C:Well, yeah.
Speaker C:Why not?
Speaker C:Why not be bilingual?
Speaker C:Oh, sure.
Speaker A:Why not?
Speaker D:See, now, Acadian is.
Speaker D:And I'm not too sure if.
Speaker D:If you guys have the same thing, like with English and Low German.
Speaker D:With Acadian French, it's.
Speaker D:There's French and there's English, and you've taken a whole paragraph, and you've put it all in a bowl, and now you're picking out all the words and you're putting it in the sentence.
Speaker D:So now you've got English words, you got French words, and it's in a.
Speaker C:Little bit of Latin, too, because.
Speaker D:Yeah, like, mom sent, like, background, Right?
Speaker D:Mom sent a video of someone talking.
Speaker D:I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker D:It just brought me right back.
Speaker C:I was just looking for that right.
Speaker D:Now, Todd, you know, because it was like, English and French, English and French, English and French.
Speaker D:I'm like, oh, my God.
Speaker D:So I'm just wondering if that's the same thing, because you're saying, like, you had the Low German and English, and I'm just wondering if they had them where they would have, you know, words from each language in the same conversation.
Speaker D:Like, you just throw a word in here because you don't know what the English word is for it or the Low German word for.
Speaker D:So you just kind of mix them up.
Speaker D:Is that what happens?
Speaker A:So 100%.
Speaker C:I will play that clip, too, after you finish, because I want you to hear what it sounds like, because it's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's messed up, but go ahead.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So just.
Speaker A:Just to complete that thought.
Speaker A:You're right, Todd.
Speaker A:What you're describing is, I think, what linguists call a pidgin language.
Speaker A:That's the language that emerges as a contact.
Speaker A:That's a hybrid of the languages of the.
Speaker A:Of cultures.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker A:That happens when those cultures have to interact.
Speaker A:But that interaction is not automatic or immediate.
Speaker A:It takes some effort.
Speaker A:These languages emerge.
Speaker A:You see it happening all throughout the world.
Speaker A:And the interesting thing when I'm teaching students from Africa is that they have pidgin languages, even though they come from different countries, and they can speak their hybrid language, even if they don't speak the other language from a different country.
Speaker A:And so this 100% happens in Internet communities where you'll get people, in this case my dad, who will start a sentence in German and then end it in English, and then sometimes he'll just mix it around in the middle of it.
Speaker A:And so you hear his accent because he speaks with an accented English, but then his.
Speaker A:His accent is only one part of his linguistic identity.
Speaker A:The other part is the fact that he just interchanges.
Speaker A:And as children, we kind of had to figure out how dad was speaking to us.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so, like, I might, like, just kind of like bicultural osmosis.
Speaker A:I can pick out the words that my dad referred to.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then I didn't know that that was weird.
Speaker A:So I watched television, and I wanted to pattern my speech with, like, the news broadcasters.
Speaker A:So, like, the way I'm speaking tends to be the way that I saw on tv, which itself is a cultural invasion.
Speaker A:So I was voluntarily abdicating my own relationship to my culture because I wanted to be like the people I saw on television.
Speaker A:I apologize.
Speaker D:Play that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's interesting.
Speaker C:Just before I play that clip.
Speaker C:So the same thing happened.
Speaker C:My wife is Portuguese, and whenever we're having dinner, her parents, they learned English when they moved here.
Speaker C:They didn't speak English before.
Speaker C:So there.
Speaker C:There's always this hot.
Speaker C:So I'm listening and I. I'm doing duolingo.
Speaker C:I'm trying to learn a little bit of Portuguese because, you know, it's not enough to be.
Speaker C:Do, like, have two languages.
Speaker C:It's better to have four.
Speaker C:But I also speak a little.
Speaker C:I also have a little bit of Spanish.
Speaker C:Like, I studied Spanish for a year in university.
Speaker C:So anyway, so I'm listening to them and I'm trying to, like.
Speaker C:And I can kind of piece together what they're saying because I know enough pigeon Portuguese, I guess, that I can go, oh, I know what.
Speaker C:That they're talking about rice.
Speaker C:And here they're talking about going to the store and whatever.
Speaker C:So everybody does it.
Speaker C:Like, it's kind of cool.
Speaker C:But let's play this clip because after mom sent this to me, I watched it like three or four times.
Speaker C:Now I'm not going to show the clip because it's just.
Speaker C:It'll.
Speaker C:It might screw up the audio.
Speaker C:So if you wanna.
Speaker C:It's not too long, but raise your hand if you want me to stop it and then we'll play it for a second or two here.
Speaker C:You guys ready?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right, here we go.
Speaker C:It is loading and it is muted.
Speaker C:What the heck?
Speaker D:The mopy.
Speaker C:Chris, drum right low.
Speaker C:Wait, wait, wait.
Speaker C:On a drive.
Speaker C:Le car, Basically.
Speaker D:Saint John's Newfoundland.
Speaker C:Pothole.
Speaker C:Huge one.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Okay, so Todd and I are laughing because we understand everything he's saying.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:How lost were you, Nathan?
Speaker A:I could follow.
Speaker A:I'm going to say 30.
Speaker A:That's pretty good, you're saying.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's.
Speaker D:That's pretty good.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm not trying to pat myself on the back, but I could pick out French language, like, individual French terms.
Speaker A:But it was the phrasing, the way that he was coaching the words that was difficult to follow.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's how we spoke back home.
Speaker A:Where was.
Speaker A:Where was that recorded?
Speaker C:This was in.
Speaker C:I think this is New Brunswick.
Speaker C:New Brunswick, Yeah.
Speaker C:New Brunswick.
Speaker C:New Brunswick, yeah.
Speaker C:So this is a radio station.
Speaker C:They're interviewing a performer who had performed up in Newfoundland.
Speaker C:He was telling a story about hitting potholes in his Ferrari.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:And then trying to get service or what.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a funny story.
Speaker C:But the way they told stories back home, I almost feel like they were accenting using English words as, like an accent to heighten.
Speaker C:Like, as a comedian might.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You might.
Speaker C:Comedians back in the 80s, they would.
Speaker C:They would throw around the F bomb to make it more interesting to get Your attention.
Speaker C:And I almost feel like this guy, the way he tells his story.
Speaker C:Oh, then I drove my car.
Speaker C:They're saying that to kind of heighten the storytelling point of the story.
Speaker C:And then every time he's trying to heighten, he was throwing in some English words because, I mean, it's a French radio station, but that's fascinating.
Speaker A:Well, I'm expecting voiture every now and then.
Speaker D:Yeah, no, no, it's car.
Speaker A:And hits a hard R, too.
Speaker C:Yeah, car.
Speaker D:That car.
Speaker C:And they don't say drive conduit.
Speaker C:They say drive it.
Speaker C:I'm driving.
Speaker C:I'm driving the car.
Speaker C:Drive it.
Speaker C:More car.
Speaker A:Actually, if I.
Speaker A:If I could raise another question, just as a point of contact.
Speaker A:One of the things that.
Speaker A:Because you only ever see very stern face Mennonites walking around in Winnipeg, we have.
Speaker A:We have, like, men with long faces and beards, like.
Speaker A:Like shady horses.
Speaker A:And we have a very strange and like, often very dark sense of humor.
Speaker A:Like earthy dark.
Speaker C:Okay, sure.
Speaker A:Which we very do much do not portray in our behavior to the outsiders.
Speaker A:And I'm guessing just from the sounds of what you played, it's quite similar in your experience with your.
Speaker A:Your native culture.
Speaker C:There's definitely a. I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know if I'd say dark specifically, but it's definitely a.
Speaker C:Is it like a smart ass?
Speaker C:Todd?
Speaker C:Would that be the kind of humor.
Speaker D:It's kind of.
Speaker D:I was going to say enlightening.
Speaker D:It's just.
Speaker D:It's a lighter way of saying it.
Speaker D:Instead of being textbook, you know, every word has to be, you know, in the English language, you have to use this word and this word and form a sentence in this matter.
Speaker D:There.
Speaker D:It's just out the window.
Speaker D:It's like.
Speaker D:And if you.
Speaker D:If you've ever read French, French is usually the end to the beginning versus English.
Speaker D:Beginning to the end.
Speaker D:On some sentences.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I can't think of one at the moment, but, you know, you'll say a sentence and the word at the beginning will be at the end.
Speaker C:I went to the store.
Speaker C:No, the store came to me.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then when you go and you start throwing in, you know, English and French words into that scenario, then it becomes kind of a little bit comedic.
Speaker D:Like, we had a person in, you know, her name was La Saguin.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And she's.
Speaker D:She's kind of the Acadian.
Speaker D:What would you call her?
Speaker D:She was kind of the.
Speaker C:The stereotypical Acadian grandma was what.
Speaker C:This is what she was personifying.
Speaker C:I'm Trying to see if there's anything I could find, like, on her.
Speaker C:Like, she's like.
Speaker C:So the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker C:The lady that played La Saguin, and she would do, like.
Speaker C:It was like a fringe kind of equivalent of, like, a fringe play where she would.
Speaker C:She would just basically tell stories.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:One.
Speaker C:One woman shows.
Speaker C:And she would.
Speaker C:And talk in her way and kind of talk about that.
Speaker C:I'm just trying to see if I can find.
Speaker D:Now, the funny thing is, is when you're younger and you.
Speaker D:You're raised more English than French, but your parents are, like, full Acadian, they understand the whole language.
Speaker D:When I first saw her lasaguin, I did not understand a word, but my mother was pissing herself laughing, and it was like, what?
Speaker D:And then later on, when I, you know, I went, oh, yeah, lasagun.
Speaker D:And I was listening to her going, okay, now I see.
Speaker D:Now I see.
Speaker D:We have to kind of know the language is like.
Speaker D:If you had a comedian, you know, doing your language, doing the.
Speaker D:Doing both languages together, that would be famous, you know?
Speaker D:And then you first listen to them, it's like, okay.
Speaker D:And then later on in life, when you've experienced, you know, both languages together, then it's like, okay, I understand what they're saying.
Speaker C:I can't believe there's no reels on Facebook for the psycho in.
Speaker C:This is ridiculous.
Speaker A:You're describing something that's old.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Like, I'm kind of out of my depth.
Speaker A:But you're describing something linguists refer to as, like, the syntactical challenges or complexities of French, which works on the Latin skeleton.
Speaker A:Like, it has a Latin in English, which has the chassis of, like, I don't know, two horses yoked.
Speaker A:Because, like, once the French imposed on the.
Speaker A:On the German to form English, we had to find a way to negotiate syntax, where we start the sentence, now we end the sentence.
Speaker A:And you're describing somebody who, for the purposes of humor or comedic revelation, is doing that, like, very complex and tactical work, like, either intentionally or to illustrate foolishness.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And that, like, it's.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:It's really in.
Speaker A:You're describing something that is incredibly complex but is interpreted very simply.
Speaker C:Okay, I found that.
Speaker A:That's the truth.
Speaker C:And I found a clip here, so I'll just play a second of it just to kind of give us a.
Speaker C:Some context here.
Speaker C:Probably going to get a YouTube ad.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:No,.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker D:Come on.
Speaker A:Easy.
Speaker A:Puts a question to the heart, awkwardly.
Speaker C:Oh, this is Translated.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker D:Oh, come on.
Speaker C:Why would you translate that?
Speaker D:That's like 10 o' clock being in English.
Speaker C:There we.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:I'm having a hard time understanding that.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:And there's no English in there.
Speaker D:That's just straight Acadian.
Speaker C:It's just straight Acadian, which is Latin and French probably combo because there's that lady that mom sends us clips of all the time.
Speaker C:And they explain where a lot of the Akkadian terms came from.
Speaker C:Like clothing is called halved, H, A, R, D, E. Yeah, but it comes, it comes from something.
Speaker C:So it's not.
Speaker C:They're not just making up a word.
Speaker C:It actually I can't remember what it's.
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:But anyway.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:Did we ever go down a rabbit hole?
Speaker A:Yeah, this is, this is exactly the type of rabbit hole I like to follow.
Speaker A:Take me where you want to go, Alice.
Speaker C:It's this sort of rabbit hole.
Speaker B:Knew I should have made a left toilet.
Speaker B:Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Speaker C:Cuz that's where we live in Albuquerque.
Speaker C:We just took a.
Speaker C:Was it a right turn, Todd, or a left turn?
Speaker C:Is it a left turn?
Speaker D:It's a left one.
Speaker C:It's a left turn.
Speaker C:I always say I right turn because that's the metric system.
Speaker C:It's a metric, right or an American left.
Speaker A:Imperial.
Speaker C:Imperial.
Speaker D:Imperial, yeah.
Speaker A:This is why we can't cook meth using the, the Breaking Bad recipe.
Speaker A:Because we can't do those conversions.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker C:Very true, very true.
Speaker D:Was.
Speaker D:Was there as metric?
Speaker A:Oh no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:That has to.
Speaker A:Well, he was a high school teacher, so maybe it was metric.
Speaker C:Chemistry is the study of matter, but I prefer to see it as the study of change.
Speaker C:Now just, just think about this.
Speaker C:Electrons.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker C:Change their energy levels.
Speaker C:Molecules.
Speaker C:Molecules change their bonds.
Speaker A:Elements.
Speaker C:They combine and change into compounds.
Speaker C:Well, that's.
Speaker C:That's all of life, right?
Speaker C:I mean it's just.
Speaker C:It's the constant, it's the cycle.
Speaker C:It's solution, dissolution, just over and over and over.
Speaker C:It is growth, then decay, then transformation.
Speaker C:It is fascinating.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker D:Well, because this was a us.
Speaker D:US never implemented.
Speaker D:Really.
Speaker D:Metric.
Speaker C:Yeah, but what about in the scientific community?
Speaker C:Are they using.
Speaker C:What's the measurements they use?
Speaker C:Because scientists are smarter, right?
Speaker C:So they wouldn't be using Imperial, I would think.
Speaker D:I don't know, using grams instead of.
Speaker A:Okay, this is, this is where I really do show my ass kilograms.
Speaker A:I study English.
Speaker A:I have no idea what the scientists in Albuquerque do.
Speaker C:What is this science stuff?
Speaker C:What are you talking about?
Speaker C:Is that like Jedi?
Speaker A:There's midi chlorians involved, but I'm not sure.
Speaker C:Yeah, I think there's midichlorians involved, Master sir.
Speaker B:I heard Yoda talking about midi chlorians.
Speaker B:I've been wondering.
Speaker B:What are midi chlorians?
Speaker C:Midi chlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells.
Speaker B:They live inside me?
Speaker C:Inside yourselves?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:And we are symbionts with them.
Speaker B:Symbionts?
Speaker C:Life forms living together for mutual advantage.
Speaker D:Without the midi chlorians, life cannot exist.
Speaker C:And we would have no knowledge of the Force.
Speaker C:They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force.
Speaker D:When you learn to quiet your mind,.
Speaker C:You'll hear them speaking to you.
Speaker B:I don't understand.
Speaker D:With time and training, Annie, you will.
Speaker C:You will.
Speaker C:All right, so I wanted to do something because.
Speaker C:Okay, so one of the big complaints we had, other than me shaving off my beard, was every time we've done the Wheel of Topics side the last, like, three times.
Speaker C:Ever since, we.
Speaker C:We have a new theme song for the Wheel of Topics.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:And, you know, we worked on it hard, you and I.
Speaker C:We recorded all the instruments ourselves.
Speaker C:Well, you did all the instruments.
Speaker C:I did the singing.
Speaker D:Were we getting bad feedback on that one?
Speaker C:We're getting bad feedback.
Speaker C:The feedback is that we never spin the wheel.
Speaker C:We just randomly take something off the board and decide to talk about it.
Speaker C:We actually haven't spun the wheel.
Speaker C:We said, no, we're not going to talk about that.
Speaker C:We're just going to talk about this.
Speaker C:So even though we said we were pulling from the Wheel of Topics, we've never actually pulled from the Wheel of topics.
Speaker C:Never actually rolled the dice.
Speaker C:Never actually rolled the dice.
Speaker D:That's a dice.
Speaker A:Of great consequence.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:12 Sided.
Speaker C:No, this is a.
Speaker C:This is a 20.
Speaker C:No, no, no.
Speaker C:It is a 20.
Speaker A:20.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I used to roll this on the dice when we played D and D, but it just knock all the miniatures over.
Speaker D:Never knew where you're at.
Speaker C:Do you remember where you were at?
Speaker A:Dungeon disaster.
Speaker C:So I thought it might be fun to do the Wheel of Topics with a guest.
Speaker C:Sure, if you're up for that, Nathan.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:I couldn't be more pro.
Speaker A:Let's roll.
Speaker C:Okay, so I'm not gonna roll the dice.
Speaker C:The dice roller is actually within.
Speaker C:See, I'm really good in the sheets, as in the Excel sheets.
Speaker C:So I built everything in Excel.
Speaker C:I put a little wheel, which I can only share one thing at a time.
Speaker C:So if I start sharing.
Speaker C:So basically I'm saying I can't share it, but it's actually really a smart way for me to deflect to the listener That I actually don't have a wheel built.
Speaker C:I'm just rolling a random thing in an Excel sheet.
Speaker C:But I tell the listeners that I'm actually rolling it and I do have a wheel.
Speaker C:Shit.
Speaker C:I just give it away.
Speaker C:Mary wasn't very smart.
Speaker C:Okay, so I hit F9 and it actually randomly selects from our list of topics.
Speaker C:Our list of topics.
Speaker C:There's 136 topics I added the latest ones Todd has added to our list.
Speaker C:They're all in there.
Speaker C:I'm going to hit F9 on our wheel.
Speaker C:And we call it the Wheel of Spite.
Speaker C:And why do we call it the Wheel of Spite?
Speaker C:Todd, do you remember why?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:Sean, tell us why Nick Jones named it.
Speaker C:Because many of the topics on the board are ones that Todd added.
Speaker C:And when Todd adds.
Speaker C:So Todd and I share a Microsoft to do so.
Speaker C:It's like a shopping list sort of program.
Speaker D:I think that's what it was meant for.
Speaker C:That's what it's meant for.
Speaker C:But Todd and I share.
Speaker C:And every time we have a topic idea, we add to the list and I take it out of there, throw it in the Excel sheet.
Speaker C:But when Todd.
Speaker C:You can tell when Todd is adding a topic that he's pissed off about because spelling errors galore.
Speaker C:And it's like, so Nick Jones, a previous guest on the show.
Speaker C:So he said.
Speaker C:So Todd gets mad, adds to the list.
Speaker C:So it's the Wheel of Spite, isn't it?
Speaker C:I said, yes, it's the Wheel of Spite.
Speaker C:So it's now called the Wheel of Spite.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:And as a reminder, no other show has a wheel, right, Todd?
Speaker C:No other show has a wheel.
Speaker A:Well, not one.
Speaker A:So spiteful.
Speaker C:No, exactly.
Speaker C:Their wheels are fun.
Speaker C:They don't.
Speaker A:It's not, you know, Cheese.
Speaker C:Are we.
Speaker C:Yes, they're cheese wheels.
Speaker C:And they got those little, like those little things that go in like you put in the kids bikes.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's their wheels.
Speaker C:No, not our wheel.
Speaker A:Our wheel goes hamsters and wheels.
Speaker A:This is a wheel of Spite.
Speaker A:Like I'm feeling oppressed.
Speaker C:What was that sound I made when I sat down?
Speaker C:That's the sound our wheel makes.
Speaker C:Pretty.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:So you're going to play the song first or they're going to spin?
Speaker C:Well, if I forget to play the song, I'll get for that too.
Speaker C:Okay, let's play the song.
Speaker C:This is the Wheel of Spite song.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:We wrote the song too.
Speaker C:It's not based off of an original.
Speaker C:This is an original song Todd and I wrote.
Speaker C:Just kidding.
Speaker C:Here it is.
Speaker B:Spinning wheel on our show.
Speaker B:No one Else does it.
Speaker B:We are so original.
Speaker B:Get up on Patreon so you can write and on all your topics, Aren't you all Wheel of Spy.
Speaker C:Yes, the Wheel of Spite.
Speaker C:And as it says in that little song, if you want to contribute to the Wheel of Spite and you want to add a topic to the board, join our Patreon.
Speaker C:I can't remember what.
Speaker C:I don't know, 5, $10, whatever it is, you can do the $75 a month tier anyway, if you want to add on to our Wheel of whatever.
Speaker B:You want to give.
Speaker C:You know, we.
Speaker C:We like money, but any.
Speaker C:If you want to add to the wheel of Spite, donate on the Patreon and you will have full access to our list.
Speaker C:And you can add your own in there.
Speaker A:You don't even have to spell it right.
Speaker A:No, it could be the Wheel of Spit for all you did.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:And the topic could be spit or spite.
Speaker A:Which do you prefer?
Speaker C:All right, so let's roll this thing.
Speaker C:And again, we have the ability to mulligan it, which basically means if the topic doesn't feel right for the three of us, we can skip to the next one.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:Because I move we're not like.
Speaker C:Nathan, do you follow sportsball at all?
Speaker A:I am a. I am an enormous baseball fan.
Speaker C:Okay, so.
Speaker C:Okay, well.
Speaker C:Okay, well, that's the wrong question.
Speaker C:Are you.
Speaker C:Are you into Taylor Swift?
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay, let's find another one.
Speaker A:I'm actually.
Speaker C:I'm trying to find something you don't like.
Speaker B:Oh,.
Speaker A:I was just talking to my children.
Speaker A:I hate raisins.
Speaker A:Like, if you ever had, like, yes topic, I'd be like, raisin.
Speaker C:We could mulligan that one.
Speaker A:Not interested.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:I. I don't like soft stool.
Speaker C:I don't like soft stool either.
Speaker D:Yeah, I like the ones that give you hemorrhoids.
Speaker D:Yeah, that's the one.
Speaker A:Straight.
Speaker A:Just cutting curds over here.
Speaker D:You get that vein in the middle of your forehead that sticks out.
Speaker D:You know that one that when you're trying to suck the.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker D:You go for a milkshake and they give you those stupid little goddamn straws and you're sucking and it.
Speaker D:Pain on your forehead sticks out because you can't.
Speaker D:You know.
Speaker C:What kind of straws are those, Todd?
Speaker D:Little dinky ones.
Speaker C:No, not the goddamn straws.
Speaker D:Yeah, well, they're not used to be a T shirt now like the McDonald's straws.
Speaker D:At least they're.
Speaker D:They're bigger.
Speaker D:You can get more.
Speaker A:You know, you got your vein popping in your Forehead.
Speaker A:And you have the bdi.
Speaker A:That's a Winnipeg reference for everyone.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:There you go.
Speaker C:Like, yes.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:I did my homework.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker C:I think I want to see a picture of Todd sucking a straw on our T shirt.
Speaker D:With the vein sticking out?
Speaker C:Yeah, with the vein sticking out.
Speaker C:All right, let's do this.
Speaker C:Did it work?
Speaker C:Oh, wait.
Speaker C:F9.
Speaker C:F9.
Speaker C:Oh, there we go.
Speaker D:Make a sound.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:No, it doesn't.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Here's your sound.
Speaker A:Could you come show me some guitar chords?
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker C:That's the sound.
Speaker C:All right, so number 73 on the list.
Speaker C:Scroll down.
Speaker C:73.
Speaker C:Ah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:Oh, this is actually strangely appropriate.
Speaker C:So this, there's different types of categories.
Speaker C:This is a topic topic.
Speaker C:We have other styles.
Speaker C:There's pass or go, there's versus.
Speaker C:There's incorrect headlines.
Speaker C:This is just topics.
Speaker C:So Toddle have no interest in this one.
Speaker C:So I'm going to read what it says and if Todd wants to mulligan it, we can switch.
Speaker C:But it is author related, so that's kind of strangely appropriate.
Speaker C:So HarperCollins and Amazon are under fire for changing the covers on Amazon for their books that coincide with the TV series to reflect the TV series.
Speaker C:So someone puts a book out, Wuthering Heights, whatever it is, there's the original cover, the original classic cover, and then a TV series comes out.
Speaker C:So now the COVID of the book has been changed to reflect the actors in the TV show.
Speaker C:Even though it might be a classic TV show, sorry, a classic book, they're still going to show, you know, the, what do you call it, the A and E movie of the week actors, you know, Z list actors.
Speaker C:And they'll change the COVID of the book to reflect the actors in the TV show.
Speaker C:So they're under fire.
Speaker C:HarperCollins specifically was under fire for changing all the covers of their books to reflect the movie of the week.
Speaker D:Now does this mean, does this mean that the original covers are now worth more because that they were changed?
Speaker D:Is it, would this be like a.
Speaker C:Very, very good question?
Speaker C:I. I don't know.
Speaker A:It's interesting also because they're like, okay, I'm a lit guy, my cards are on the table.
Speaker A:There is no real like original covers of things, especially something like Wuthering Heights.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker A:If you purchase that in the 19th century, you wouldn't see much of an image on the COVID But there has been like a standard Penguin edition of books cover like that you can buy on T shirts and sweaters and mugs and such.
Speaker A:So that I think is what we take as the template for the default book cover for a classic book and.
Speaker C:Then something with a painting related.
Speaker C:It's like, it looks painted or whatever.
Speaker A:And then if you go and you buy the Wuthering Heights paperback after watching the movie, you see Margot Robbie on the COVID like, what.
Speaker A:What abomination is this?
Speaker A:Which is interesting, too, because if you read the Margot Roby covered Wuthering Heights, you would read another, like, half of the story that didn't make the movie.
Speaker A:So you'd be like, what the hell?
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is what I signed up for.
Speaker A:It's funny, though, because, like, if you wanted to buy those old covers, there's got to be a used bookstore or an online resale retailer available.
Speaker A:Like, just a step back.
Speaker A:This kind of gets me upset because if we see adaptations or remakes, do.
Speaker C:I need to play the rant music?
Speaker A:Oh, I'm trying.
Speaker A:I'm trying to get the spike.
Speaker A:I'm sitting here.
Speaker C:Okay, go ahead.
Speaker A:Okay, here we go.
Speaker A:I am Kirk, facing off against the Gorn right now.
Speaker A:The issue here is that we have.
Speaker A:Our culture gets upset with remakes and reboots and those sorts of things, as though they eliminate the original in the process.
Speaker A:And so when.
Speaker A:When I'm an elderly man now, so.
Speaker A:So when somebody remakes something I enjoy for my youth, I'm usually cool with it because I can always go back to the thing that was my youth.
Speaker A:And then you hear other elderly men who look very similar to me who say things like, you've ruined my childhood.
Speaker A:Oh, what ruined your childhood?
Speaker A:You know what ruined your childhood?
Speaker A:With social media, you clown.
Speaker C:That was our grade one teacher that ruined our childhood.
Speaker C:It wasn't a cover on a book or it wasn't someone's reinterpretation of a classic.
Speaker C:It was that lady with the ruler.
Speaker C:I hate.
Speaker C:You know what I hate?
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That you just ruined my childhood comment.
Speaker C:Oh, it irks me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker D:That is 50 years later.
Speaker D:You ruined my childhood.
Speaker A:Your dad ruined your childhood.
Speaker A:That's who ruined your children.
Speaker C:It's always your dad.
Speaker C:You know, that's the rule.
Speaker A:I thought, well, he started a second family.
Speaker A:Of course he's going to ruin childhoods.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker C:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:So that's as much spite as I can muster for that topic.
Speaker C:Todd, do you get any of any of this?
Speaker C:Okay, what do you got to say, Todd?
Speaker D:Well, like I said, the only thing I could really see is if, you know, if something was original and then there's a remake of something.
Speaker D:Like you said, like the book.
Speaker D:Now all of a sudden, the covers Changed, I mean, yeah.
Speaker D:The first thing you think of is just like, coins, like minted coins.
Speaker D:Oh.
Speaker D:There was only like this in circulation or this much.
Speaker D:And so all of a sudden now the price has gone up for the original one.
Speaker D:Not that I don't know in this case if that would be applicable, but that's kind of the only thing I can really see.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:These are books.
Speaker D:I mean.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:Todd doesn't read books.
Speaker C:I don't have time for that.
Speaker D:I don't do homework.
Speaker A:So he's not into those material things like the rest of us.
Speaker C:It's funny because, like, I'm like, I read.
Speaker C:So this weekend, for example, I read your book.
Speaker C:No, it was a hundred pager, so it's not a big deal, but I read your book.
Speaker C:And then I finished reading David Yon Fuller's book because I wasn't able to finish it in time when we had him on.
Speaker C:So I finished that and then I started reading.
Speaker C:Nathan, you're going to like this.
Speaker C:I started reading.
Speaker C:I bought the omnibus edition of Marvel superhero Secret Wars.
Speaker C:So I started reading through because I have the original 12 issues, but it looks nice in a hardcover, doesn't it?
Speaker C:So I bought that and I'm reading through and I got like three quarters through this weekend, and.
Speaker D:It.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So anyways, where was I going with this?
Speaker C:Was I supposed to rent or something?
Speaker C:I forget.
Speaker D:I do have a question.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:Since you've bought the hardcover.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:And you already have the other ones probably in your little plastic bags, Right.
Speaker C:Certainly do.
Speaker D:Individual.
Speaker D:Hell, yeah.
Speaker D:Now that you have the hardcover, do you feel the need that you need these other ones and you could kind of cash these ones in.
Speaker D:Are they worth anything or is it more sentimental?
Speaker D:Worth is bigger than what you would normally get for it.
Speaker C:Issue 8's worth a lot of money.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:Why is that?
Speaker C:Nathan, I'm sure you're going to tell.
Speaker A:Todd that's got to be the symbiote black Spider man costume.
Speaker C:That's correct.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So the first appearance of what became Venom.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:What became Venom.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:So pre Venom.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:This is what he would have been.
Speaker C:Well, it was actually.
Speaker C:And it was actually the second appearance because the first appearance was actually an amazing Spider man.
Speaker C:Because there was the issue of Amazing Spider man where suddenly he blips out, and then in the next issue, he blips back.
Speaker C:So concurrently with the Amazing Spider man series and probably Spectacular Spider man, they were running concurrently with the Secret wars miniseries.
Speaker C:So, you know, he went somewhere.
Speaker C:He went to some place and Came back and suddenly had a black outfit.
Speaker C:So I have that issue as well.
Speaker C:But that issue, you see him jumping out of a construct and he's got the black suit on.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And you're like, what the hell happened?
Speaker C:So you had to wait until issue 8 of Marvel Superhero Secret wars to find out how he got that black suit.
Speaker A:I actually was just at the mall earlier today, and I saw two people wearing that very cover.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I'm like, how the heck is it?
Speaker A:Do I live in a world where now guys could just walk around in T shirts with.
Speaker A:With that issue cover?
Speaker A:Like, I was.
Speaker A:I was ashamed of my Spider man fandom as a child.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And you also couldn't display your.
Speaker A:No lack of social cohesion at that time.
Speaker A:You just had to keep this to yourself.
Speaker A:So the fact that you have those comments and you preserve those comics is remarkable.
Speaker A:But the fact that now you can read.
Speaker A:So just to go back to Todd's question, I'm getting frothy again.
Speaker A:To go back to Todd's question, now you have the original printing of the comic books reserved in plastic, like a shrine in your home with the backing.
Speaker C:Board on in there.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:I mean, sealed.
Speaker A:You don't ever want, like, air to touch it again.
Speaker A:But then you also have the hardcover omnibus, which is for reading purposes.
Speaker A:The actual enjoyment is not in the reading.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's in the preservation.
Speaker A:Unless you're like Sean or me, where you buy the omnibus so you can read.
Speaker A:Or in my case, I can read it to my children because sharing those stories is far more valuable to me than having them in a long box in the basement.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:You said it.
Speaker C:I. I don't.
Speaker C:So now it's weird.
Speaker C:Okay, So I guess.
Speaker C:Well, we're kind of deviating from the topic, but that's okay.
Speaker C:That's how this show is supposed to work.
Speaker C:Albuquerque.
Speaker C:We took a metric left in Albuquerque.
Speaker A:Welcome to digressions.
Speaker C:But for me, the whole advent of omnibus has been a revelation.
Speaker C:So, Todd, so in the old days, if you wanted to know what happened in issue 8 of Marvel Superhero Secret wars, the only way to find out what happened was to go to every single comic book shop and try to find that issue to read it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And it was rare because everyone bought it.
Speaker C:Everyone snatched it.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It's a huge seller.
Speaker C:Hot.
Speaker C:But there's not a lot of them around, Right.
Speaker C:So the only way was to find it and read it and search or.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:No way.
Speaker C:There was no pre orders back then,.
Speaker A:And comic book shops were rare.
Speaker A:And if you lived in rural Manitoba.
Speaker A:Say, Winkler, you didn't actually get to see the comic series that you were following for whole months.
Speaker C:At a time where we grew up, there was no comic shop.
Speaker C:We had to drive all the way to Halifax just to find that issue.
Speaker C:And if we're lucky, they had it in stock.
Speaker C:And if they did, back then, they were selling it for 20 bucks for the issue.
Speaker C:I mean, it's way more than that now, but.
Speaker A:So last year, my college where I work invited me to lecture on any topic I wanted.
Speaker A:So I naturally lectured about Superman and how he compares to Jesus and who would win in a fight.
Speaker C:And who would win in a fight.
Speaker C:That's awesome.
Speaker A:That was the premise.
Speaker A:But in order to do so, I talked about the death of Superman, because Superman was resurrected when I was a young man.
Speaker A:And I bought the omnibus and it's huge.
Speaker A:Like, it's several thousand pages long.
Speaker A:And as I was.
Speaker C:Yeah, because that was like a year of issues, wasn't it?
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:It spanned over two years.
Speaker A:Two years, right.
Speaker A:Because he died, comic book went away.
Speaker A:It came back, bunch of different Superman.
Speaker A:And then finally the real Superman took over again.
Speaker A:Regardless, there is this tome that is the size of two Bibles on my desk right next to my Bible.
Speaker A:And as I was reading it for research for this lecture, I'm reading it and it occurs to me, There are whole 200 page sections I've never seen before because I filled in the narrative in my head, having never seen the comics in my youth, because you couldn't find.
Speaker A:Yeah, I couldn't go to Winnipeg every month to buy the comics.
Speaker A:That's the closest place that could possibly have these.
Speaker A:And so as I'm reading this, I'm like, oh, my youth was not.
Speaker A:My youth ruined my youth.
Speaker A:My adulthood has actually redeemed something that my youth didn't understand because those things are not available.
Speaker A:And as I'm reading these comics to my children, I have to stop explaining to them what a remarkable thing is that we have this holy tome in our home now that can tell the whole story, because it was not available to me earlier.
Speaker A:And see that.
Speaker C:And that's the beauty of it, of it, Todd, is that if there's something I read growing up, and, you know, I had my little comic drawer, right?
Speaker C:And once it was full, I'd have to empty it so I could fill it again.
Speaker C:So it would all have to get thrown out.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:But I still remember, even though I didn't have those comics anymore, I still.
Speaker C:I would memorize every panel.
Speaker C:So When I had to throw them out, everything was memorized or I would draw them, anything to not forget about it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker D:Is this the same.
Speaker D:Sorry.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:So when you talk about the comics and Nathan, you're talking about, say, you missed a couple issues and you just kind of, you know, had it in your head of what would have happened type of thing between issues that you.
Speaker D:You were able to get.
Speaker D:It's kind of like now when it comes to, say, when you're growing up and you're watching a series, say, was on it Wednesday, Wednesday night at 7pm okay, so say you had soccer practice or you had something that you missed it back then, it was like you didn't know.
Speaker D:You had to fill in blanks because if you saw the next episode, you didn't really know what happened prior.
Speaker D:And nowadays, and similar to the comic book industry, like when you.
Speaker D:When you get these.
Speaker D:These batches of books all together, it's almost like when you go to Netflix and you want to, you know, and they say Netflix and chill, or, you know, you want to Netflix.
Speaker D:You know, when you sit there and you just watch the whole series, like from beginning to end, and then if.
Speaker D:If you were watching it religiously when it was out originally and you missed a couple episodes, my God, when you get to it, it's like, oh, that's what, you know, all the.
Speaker D:All the spaces fill in.
Speaker D:It's like, okay, now I understand.
Speaker A:So you're describing the nature of episodic storytelling.
Speaker A:And so individual stories piece together to form a grand narrative.
Speaker A:And without every piece in the grand narrative, you have to put it together and build what I think we can safely call the head cannon, which may not be the actual canon of story or the grand narrative, but the ones that you fill in.
Speaker A:And here's the thing, that's actually an act of creativity.
Speaker A:So I didn't realize this, and Sean just put his finger on it.
Speaker A:As a child, he would keep records and draw and then build that canon for himself.
Speaker A:And it was more meaningful because of the amount of work he did to put it into it.
Speaker A:Which is very much in contrast, in my estimation, to when you sit down to watch Netflix.
Speaker A:If you stream a Netflix show from beginning to end, first episode to last episode, the whole show drops in one day, and you just decide to abdicate all responsibility and just watch that show, you will lose that show in the next couple days.
Speaker A:Your memory will fade so quickly because.
Speaker A:Because you were so passive, and in your interpretation of it, it just washed over you.
Speaker A:And it was a great experience.
Speaker A:And you remember enjoying yourself, but the details of that story are absolutely lost to you.
Speaker C:But like in this, in the 70s, when like mash was out or Dallas or whatever, any of those shows, it was water cooler talk.
Speaker C:So you didn't binge it in, in a weekend or a week or whatever.
Speaker C:You had to watch it for whatever it was, four or five months to see all the episodes.
Speaker C:But you retained more because the next day Dallas was on whatever what day, it was Fridays or whatever.
Speaker C:So on Monday, everyone's going to work.
Speaker C:Oh my God, do you see who shot Junior?
Speaker C:Do you.
Speaker C:Who do you think?
Speaker C:And everybody would have these active open discussions and like you're saying, you start filling in the blanks.
Speaker C:Well, I bet you're so and so did it.
Speaker C:Now, this isn't something that's on screen, but you start building creatively your own scenarios for what it is.
Speaker C:And I'll be honest, back then, people were more creative.
Speaker C:The writers had to be more creative.
Speaker C:They didn't have the budgets to just, well, I can just CGI this or whatever.
Speaker C:You had to be more creative in your writing.
Speaker C:You had to be more.
Speaker C:You couldn't go back to the well all the time.
Speaker C:You had to create new stuff, new content, new types of content constantly.
Speaker C:You had to be creative in your everyday life.
Speaker D:You.
Speaker C:You bet.
Speaker C:If you're going to the water cooler to talk about this, you better have your down.
Speaker C:I know people would, would write down their notes while they're watching the show so they'd be ready for the water cooler, you know, especially if you're watching like sci Fi stuff or whatever, right?
Speaker C:Or Star Trek or whatever.
Speaker A:That was my experience of the accident.
Speaker A:I took notes.
Speaker A:My brothers remember me sitting in the dark taking notes so I can remember what to talk about on.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Monday morning in school we used this like.
Speaker D:Sorry, is this like Game of Thrones or Walking Dead?
Speaker D:I. I didn't watch either series, but I know that.
Speaker C:But those were not.
Speaker D:The episode dropped.
Speaker D:No, they weren't.
Speaker D:So the next day people would talk about it.
Speaker D:You know, the ones who, who would watch them.
Speaker A:You just put your finger on something significant.
Speaker A:Todd, I just talked over the end of your porn, so you can continue.
Speaker D:I know.
Speaker A:Okay, so here's the thing.
Speaker A:I'm going to take issue with something that Sean said a moment ago and then explain why.
Speaker A:I'm not trying to be confrontational here, but I don't know if in the 80s televisual programming was more innovative.
Speaker A:I just think that there they worked on a different economic and social Structure.
Speaker A:You couldn't binge a show.
Speaker A:It just didn't happen.
Speaker A:There are marathons of movies on long weekends, but there's no television program marathon that existed.
Speaker A:And in that intervening space, week to week, we had to fill the time ourselves.
Speaker A:So that's like.
Speaker A:It was creative in one way that.
Speaker A:That they knew they had time to fill in Hollywood, but it was creative on the other end because we also had time to fill in response to it.
Speaker A:And now, to build into Todd's point, you could watch the Walking Dead.
Speaker A:And then shortly after the show began, they realized that fans wanted to hear more about it.
Speaker A:So after Walking Dead, they had this program called Talking Dead.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:And what I think is interesting is that, like, I never watched Walking Dead.
Speaker A:It wasn't for me.
Speaker A:But I think it's interesting that we would replace the conversation over the water cooler with watching other people have the conversation about the show immediately after watching it.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And now we don't do that formally anymore.
Speaker A:Now you just go to YouTube and you watch people who you admire, critics you enjoy, talk about the thing that you just watched.
Speaker A:And I feel like that's a type of parasocial relationship that we're building with strangers, where it's.
Speaker A:It's replacing the creativity of talking to other people over dinner, at lunch, or between classes or whatever, what have you.
Speaker A:We just listen to other people talk about it, and then we nod in agreement, thinking that we're just as clever, as interesting as the people who are talking about the thing that we like.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker A:And so that's another depravity of creativity.
Speaker A:Like, we just.
Speaker A:We feel fulfilled in our.
Speaker A:In our engagement and interpretation of the media that we enjoy, but we're actually just kind of like.
Speaker A:We're kind of just leeches hanging on to the corpse rather than participating in the discussion itself.
Speaker A:I'm saying this on a podcast.
Speaker A:Like, now I get to.
Speaker A:I get to cross the great beyond and talk to people who I would normally be listening to.
Speaker A:So now I feel very creative.
Speaker C:But you should feel very entitled.
Speaker C:I mean, you're like the best podcast show in the business.
Speaker C:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker D:There's.
Speaker D:See, now, to take it a different angle when you're talking about talking about an episode if you've ever watched, and we kind of stumble across it only because it was on and then we were just too lazy to turn it off.
Speaker D:This show called 90 Day Fiance.
Speaker C:Welcome to America.
Speaker A:I hope I survived the next 90 days.
Speaker C:We make out we're four minutes.
Speaker B:Paulina.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:I always Wanted to get married with a gringo.
Speaker B:Welcome to america.
Speaker B:Usa.
Speaker D:Original u.s. yeah.
Speaker C:Are you a redneck?
Speaker C:Do I look like a redneck?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Two, one, go.
Speaker C:I'm excited to show you New York.
Speaker A:I'm a little bit nervous and I don't know why.
Speaker C:New York's incredible Big, you know, it's so huge.
Speaker C:This is real.
Speaker B:I want.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker D:I'm giving Katie a lot of slack, and that's the extra straight in my face.
Speaker C:This is bull.
Speaker C:At what point do you decide something's just not meant to be?
Speaker C:Since you got to the United States,.
Speaker A:Everything in our relationship has changed.
Speaker C:I don't know what that means.
Speaker C:It means that I'm not ready to give you an answer, and I still need time.
Speaker C:I just don't know who I am right now.
Speaker B:I just want to.
Speaker C:Just be honest with me.
Speaker C:Jesus Christ.
Speaker D:There's umpteen versions of it.
Speaker D:There's one that's called, you know, the Other Way around or whatever.
Speaker D:So basically what happens is they go through these couples and their trials and tribulations, and they're usually the Ken and Barbie type, you know, type of thing.
Speaker D:And they.
Speaker D:And they go through all your life is hard or.
Speaker D:Or, you know, they move from one country to another, and it kind of shows how everything kind of goes so further on.
Speaker D:As the.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:The series went, the people that were at the beginning of the series are now armchair commentaries.
Speaker D:Commentary, commentary.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:So what they do is they say, oh, they're going to show this now.
Speaker D:So what they do is they show them on their bed watching tv as if, you know, say, you, like any of us were going to say a bed at night and turning the TV on and watching.
Speaker D:So they're sitting on their bed and they're commentating on what's going on on the screen.
Speaker D:So that's kind of the.
Speaker D:Instead of the water cooler, they've.
Speaker D:They've said, we're just going to inject this part of it into the series to seem like it's kind of a water cooler talk instead of actually going.
Speaker C:To the water cooler.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Which I think is like a very strange funhouse simulacrum of aesthetic engagement.
Speaker D:Wow, that's big words.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker C:Gymnasium gymnastic.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm flashing my PhD and nobody wants to see it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But the trick here is that we want to engage.
Speaker A:Like, we want to interpret what we read, what we see and what we hear.
Speaker A:We want to engage with that stuff.
Speaker A:But I think we've, as a culture, chosen that Our.
Speaker A:Our points of engagement are quite limited.
Speaker A:We don't talk to people the way that we used to.
Speaker A:We just have other people talk about things.
Speaker A:Then we agree with them or disagree with them, and then we get really upset in the comments.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I would far rather, after watching this show, go and talk to somebody about it or call somebody about it or write somebody about it, because that, to me, is more meaningful engagement than watching people watch the show for me.
Speaker A:But at the same time, I can't really deny people that type of aesthetic engagement.
Speaker A:They're choosing to make some sense of what they've seen just through a televisual or mediated form, pause, and reflection.
Speaker A:Every time I go to watch a concert, like a musical concert, I really want to talk to the musicians afterwards.
Speaker A:I wish it was possible because I want to ask them questions about, how did you do this?
Speaker A:Why did you make those decisions?
Speaker A:Like, what brought you to this point in the performance?
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:And there's no way for me to do so and so.
Speaker A:So maybe this is a way to ease that type of excited anxiety about what you just witnessed.
Speaker C:So, okay, what you said there is.
Speaker C:Is interesting.
Speaker C:Todd and I.
Speaker C:Sorry, Nathan and I wanted Todd to comment on this.
Speaker C:So when we.
Speaker C:When we used to play with our band Dome all the time, I always made a point to always stick around before and after.
Speaker C:And then like every other band that we played with, I was always there to watch the band and listen to the band.
Speaker C:And Todd, we would always talk to the band that we would see performing, and we would always talk to them, always engage.
Speaker C:And we did the same thing when we would play is we made ourselves open.
Speaker C:We didn't have, you know, our arms crossed or whatever.
Speaker C:Like, if someone wanted to talk to us and ask those kinds of questions, we would.
Speaker C:And we always, you know, try to make ourselves open.
Speaker C:I think as a musician, that's important, except Nowadays it's a $700 ticket to go see somebody.
Speaker C:There's no interaction with the fans anymore.
Speaker C:It's a quote unquote live performance, which it's not.
Speaker C:Everything's backing tracked, which is a topic for an upcoming episode, which Todd and I are talking about anyway.
Speaker C:But that interaction, see, see, if you had come up to us after one of our shows and said, okay, why did you guys play this song?
Speaker C:And then you played that song after, like, what was the point?
Speaker C:Or whatever, we would answer the question, or why did Todd play his bass, little bass part longer, like an extra.
Speaker D:Why are you using a pick?
Speaker C:You're not a. Oh, My God.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, you get that all the time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Why, you sick?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:See, like, you say, like, larger venues.
Speaker D:I mean, I. I can see that you can't really do that.
Speaker D:But the ones that we're playing, I mean, you could probably announce it at the very end saying, you know what?
Speaker D:We're going to be around.
Speaker D:Stick around.
Speaker D:If you guys want to come and come up and talk to us, that's kind of an invitation.
Speaker D:Like, we didn't really invite that.
Speaker D:But if people did that more then the.
Speaker D:The.
Speaker D:Because people are nervous enough as it is, like.
Speaker D:And then they see a band playing.
Speaker D:Because I know when, you know, we're growing up and, you know, we first moved here, we went and saw live bands at the bars and stuff.
Speaker D:It's like, oh, like, you're putting them up kind of on a pedestal and you're going like, no, they don't want to talk to me.
Speaker D:Like, why would they want to talk to me?
Speaker D:But if you had that at the end, inviting them to come, you know, to talk, I mean, that would be a whole different.
Speaker C:Great.
Speaker D:A whole different ball game.
Speaker D:There was.
Speaker D:There was.
Speaker D:Sorry.
Speaker D:You know, there was something else I wanted to say, too, but I can't remember.
Speaker D:Nathan touched on it, and then I was gonna say it and I. I forgot.
Speaker D:But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker D:I'll.
Speaker D:I'll probably remember.
Speaker C:Well, I was gonna say, like.
Speaker C:So I.
Speaker C:There was a period where I was going and seeing shows all the time, and I would.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So the.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:My favorite band.
Speaker C:Like, when we moved here, my favorite band was always the Turner.
Speaker C:What they call themselves back then.
Speaker C:How.
Speaker C:No, not Howling Now.
Speaker C:Howling Now.
Speaker C:No, Tooth and Nail.
Speaker C:We would go see Tooth and Nail all the time.
Speaker C:And they were playing a bunch of great 60s and 70s covers, but not the covers everyone else did.
Speaker C:They played.
Speaker C:They would play some Guess who.
Speaker C:No, no bands played Guess who, but they would play some Guess who songs that were not as popular that.
Speaker C:With that Saskatoon song.
Speaker C:They would play that.
Speaker C:They would play Bus Rider, and they weren't playing, like, the.
Speaker C:The standard fare.
Speaker C:You know, they were playing different stuff, but they would do the same thing.
Speaker C:They would play Cinnamon Girl, which not all the bands were playing Cinnamon Girl at the time, or they would play.
Speaker C:Yeah, not at the time, but they were.
Speaker C:But they also inserted a bunch of their own songs, and they were really good with the audience.
Speaker C:They spoke with the audience through their entire set.
Speaker C:Talking to the audience nonstop to the point that you felt like you could go talk to them.
Speaker C:So I would watch the drummer play because I Was a drummer and I wasn't very good.
Speaker C:I don't think I've ever been very good.
Speaker C:But I was like, I was watching to learn.
Speaker C:So I would sit on stage, right, and watch, see if I could pick up anything.
Speaker C:And the drummer noticed me there.
Speaker C:And after he was done, he came over, he said, look, I noticed you were sitting there the whole time watching me play.
Speaker C:I said, I'm really trying to learn from you because I'm a drummer and I think you're really good.
Speaker C:And I was watching.
Speaker C:I wanted to see your placement of your hands and how you would do 16th time or 32nd time or whatever.
Speaker C:And then he started asking me questions.
Speaker C:Now I'm the fan, but he's asking me questions.
Speaker C:I will never forget that.
Speaker C:I remembered that.
Speaker C:And I tried to do that at every show that we played at, to be friendly enough with the audience.
Speaker C:Because the only reason we made any money that night or whatever, we put on a show for them.
Speaker C:We have to thank them and we have to find different ways to thank them.
Speaker C:And it's not just.
Speaker C:It's not enough.
Speaker C:And I remember that one guy, and when I see him now, he works at this falafel place, and I go get a falafel, I say, hey, do you remember that time I was, you know, I was creeping on you on the side of the stage and watching everything.
Speaker C:Babysat your girlfriend because she was underage at the bar.
Speaker C:Do you remember that time?
Speaker C:Oh, that was you.
Speaker C:I'm like, yeah, that was you.
Speaker C:He goes, wow, you had hair back then.
Speaker C:Or whatever.
Speaker C:Anyway.
Speaker C:But, you know, I still remember that to this day.
Speaker C:So if you're a performer, anyone listening to the show, if you're a performer and someone wants to come talk to you after your show, do not stop what you're doing and talk to them.
Speaker C:Give them the time of day.
Speaker C:Because I remember this.
Speaker C:And it was like 25 years ago.
Speaker C:I still remember that.
Speaker C:Just about to start recording their debut record as well.
Speaker C:Just signing a big contract to get down to the States to do some playing.
Speaker B:Let's put our hands together for Matt Joe Zone tooth and nail on Friday Night Live.
Speaker B:That is gone.
Speaker B:All our stuff will be when you go in.
Speaker B:Don't go down to the.
Speaker B:No, But it's up to the chat house.
Speaker B:We go, Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:There's a red light of all the.
Speaker B:Do it.
Speaker B:Got enough until I get some more.
Speaker B:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Loud house, do you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Yeah, they got the leg right up to here to another meal Cuz all my friends out here at the cat house tonight.
Speaker B:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker B:Time in a lockdown.
Speaker B:I'll be there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I live in a dad house.
Speaker B:That house.
Speaker B:That house.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker A:It's interesting you say that because that is a performance of itself.
Speaker A:So hear me out.
Speaker A:I, I teach for a living and I really enjoy teaching.
Speaker A:Teaching.
Speaker A:And, and I, I, I like developing relationships with students.
Speaker A:Like to see them change and grow.
Speaker A:Like this is all exciting stuff.
Speaker A:But then I have to remind myself that I am putting on a type of performance in the class.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker A:You are like, this is me, but it's me plus 33% of myself.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:Like I get more excited, I'm more animated.
Speaker A:I will sing and dance.
Speaker A:I do this stuff for my kids too.
Speaker A:But that's genuine.
Speaker A:I will do this for the students to maintain attention and to, to increase engagement and all that.
Speaker A:Keep them off of their phones.
Speaker A:But then sometimes at the end of class, especially at the end of a long term, I'm so tired after that performance that I find it very difficult to engage with my students after class.
Speaker A:Like in class, I can maintain the performance and it's genuine.
Speaker A:It's me, but just 33% more.
Speaker A:And then, and then I need to take a break before office hours just because I kind of have to like reset my brain after the performance self.
Speaker A:So I can see why certain performers like here, this is the case with the, the weaker bands.
Speaker A:Like I heard that the weaker bands were all a bunch of introverts.
Speaker A:And I also am an introvert who has performative tendencies.
Speaker A:And I can turn it off and on, but I find that sometimes there's a bit of a drag or a lag between those tones.
Speaker A:And so I agree.
Speaker A:I would love to talk to performers after a musical performance, but I also have to be somewhat respectful of the fact that it takes effort and, and.
Speaker C:Sure, there's a performance that's, that's a.
Speaker A:Great towel off before they talk to me.
Speaker C:That's a great point.
Speaker C:I never thought of it from that perspective because I'm, I'm an outrovert, but I'm an introvert who's, who's extroverted in certain situations.
Speaker A:Correct?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So it's, it's, it's not a mask per se, but it's a, it's like a blanket that I'm holding.
Speaker C:And like, if I'm talking about the piece or the art, whatever we're doing, I can talk about it and not be nervous.
Speaker C:But the minute I got to Start talking about myself and separate from the piece, then I'm kind of screwed.
Speaker C:But so as an example of that, like another example of that was I saw Devin Townsend, famous Canadian.
Speaker C:Hey, you know the guy?
Speaker C:You know who, I've heard his name.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:He's fantastic.
Speaker C:He's easily one of the top three vocalists in the world.
Speaker B:We don't even understand something's going on.
Speaker B:We don't even understand.
Speaker B:So how could this be wrong?
Speaker B:E oh, E on.
Speaker C:Very great guy.
Speaker C:And he's Canadian and he happens to be a nice guy.
Speaker C:So I saw him play at the Pyramid Cabaret in Winnipeg, small venue.
Speaker C:And then afterwards he was, you know, picking up his gear and stuff and everyone was coming to go say hello.
Speaker C:So I'm going to go say hello.
Speaker C:I want to meet Devin Townsends.
Speaker C:I mean, he looks like me a little bit.
Speaker C:I want to go talk to the guy.
Speaker C:I want to ask him some questions.
Speaker C:And it was, and I brought this story up before, but there was a kid there talking to him who had a lot of mental things he was working through.
Speaker C:And Devin Townsend's music was keeping him on the right side of a potentially destructive side.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And he had to talk to Devin Townsend.
Speaker C:And Devin Townsend is like, I can't not talk to this kid.
Speaker C:I have to.
Speaker C:I have to give him whatever time he needs and talk to him.
Speaker C:And he, he apologized to us who wanted to talk to him.
Speaker C:I need to talk to this kid.
Speaker C:I will talk to you all when we're done, but I need to talk to this kid.
Speaker C:And he spent the time.
Speaker C:And it was.
Speaker C:I was like 10 minutes talking to this kid, Devin.
Speaker C:This song got me through this and, and then, you know, I.
Speaker C:When I was thinking about doing this and doing that, I would listen to this song and he was like.
Speaker C:And he was, he just listened and.
Speaker C:And he didn't need to do that, man.
Speaker C:He didn't need to do that.
Speaker C:And he did it.
Speaker C:And it's like, wow, okay, you know what?
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker D:That was.
Speaker D:That was probably just as therapeutic for him knowing because disaffected someone else does.
Speaker C:Have a lot of his own mental anguishes and stuff.
Speaker C:And he's talked publicly about it.
Speaker C:And because he's talked publicly about it, this kid, you.
Speaker C:Maybe you can relate to what I'm going through, you know?
Speaker C:And it was like his, his Persona transcended the music, transcended everything to being a helpful hand to someone who actually really needed it in his time of need.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:I don't know, it was.
Speaker C:I'M getting goosebumps telling the story.
Speaker C:It was like, okay, you know what?
Speaker C:I don't need to talk to Devin Townsend.
Speaker C:You go ahead.
Speaker C:It was fantastic.
Speaker C:Like, that's.
Speaker C:That's the shit that blows me away.
Speaker C:That's why I'll never say a bad word about him.
Speaker A:A moment ago, I kind of.
Speaker A:I set a proposition between performance and genuine.
Speaker A:And I do think in this case, that's where the performance is genuine.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, they're not opposites.
Speaker A:They're just other sides of the same coin.
Speaker A:Where you would say something that is still a performance, you're talking to someone you don't know.
Speaker A:So you're performing, but you're doing so in a way that is genuine, not only to the person hearing it, but to you yourself in the process of performing.
Speaker A:It's still a real interaction between real human beings, despite the fact that the situation we see is artificial.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And so what you just described to me seems as legitimate as any other human interaction that anyone could have.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:These are people who have something in common, and they find a way to speak about something important to each other in terms that both can understand and find meaningful.
Speaker C:Cool as hell.
Speaker C:Cool as hell.
Speaker C:I love Devin Townsend.
Speaker C:I was listening to him today, and I. I don't know, great Canadian genius that more people should talk about.
Speaker C:Okay, do we.
Speaker C:Do we have time for one more topic?
Speaker A:Fire away.
Speaker A:If you can handle me being with you this long like I'm olives.
Speaker A:And you might not get.
Speaker A:You might gross sour with.
Speaker A:I don't know how olives work.
Speaker A:Just keep talking.
Speaker D:They were just martinis.
Speaker D:The olives just, you know, they belong.
Speaker C:Okay, so what I wanted to do is I wanted to do a pass or go because people clamor for our pass or go segments.
Speaker C:And the pass or go segment is when we play a song, and the name of the game is you're going to give it a pass or you're going to give it a go.
Speaker C:You either love it or you hate it.
Speaker C:Now, it.
Speaker C:It can be an endurance test.
Speaker C:So the idea is, I'm going to play the song.
Speaker C:No one's going to talk.
Speaker C:I'm going to play the song and you're going to raise your hand for two reasons.
Speaker C:One, I can't listen to this shit anymore.
Speaker C:It's fucking horrible.
Speaker C:Pardon my French.
Speaker C:Or it's.
Speaker C:I gotta raise my hand because I have to talk about this, because this might be the most amazing thing I've ever heard.
Speaker C:I gotta talk about it right now.
Speaker C:So I've got My pass or go list in front of me and I'm going to randomly select.
Speaker C:Let's see if this F9 thing works again.
Speaker C:35.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:This is awesome.
Speaker C:Okay, this is perfect for a guest.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Now, Todd may or may not have heard this song before.
Speaker C:I will now.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I. I don't identify the song.
Speaker C:The other thing is identifying what the song is if you can identify the artist or.
Speaker C:Or whatever.
Speaker C:So this song is one of my favorites that I used to play on rock band all the time.
Speaker C:When I found it was on rock Band, I. I spent the five or seven dollars or whatever the heck it was and bought it for rock band so I could play it on rock band and say that I played it on rock Band.
Speaker C:So let me.
Speaker C:I'm just trying to find it here because it is an independent release.
Speaker C:Oh, boy, here we go.
Speaker C:This is exciting.
Speaker C:I can't believe we're playing this on the episode.
Speaker C:We're either going to get a lot more hate mail, which is great.
Speaker C:Bring it on.
Speaker C:Bring it on.
Speaker C:So you guys ready for this?
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So the rule is raise your hand because we get that decay on the audio.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker C:So if we talk, it'll degrade, but raise your hand when you want to talk about it.
Speaker C:I'll pause the song and we'll talk about it.
Speaker C:Okay, you guys ready?
Speaker C:Can you hear.
Speaker B:Game?
Speaker B:They come sh out from the.
Speaker B:You better shoot them or you're going to die.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker D:Is that adam sandler?
Speaker C:What is that?
Speaker C:It's like Adam Sandler, didn't it, you.
Speaker D:Know, trying to play.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:That's weird.
Speaker A:It sounded to me as real butthole surfers vibe too.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Nice call.
Speaker C:Nice call.
Speaker D:Wow, that was terrible.
Speaker C:You can guess.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:It's not Todd's cup of tea.
Speaker A:He's playing a game with nothing in it.
Speaker A:It's transparent, apparently.
Speaker A:It's illuminating.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:He's got that over driven thing just right on top of his.
Speaker D:His vocals were mixed okay.
Speaker D:But then you put this really heavy guitar.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker D:It just seemed like it was a.
Speaker D:Like a hamburger.
Speaker D:But instead of.
Speaker D:Instead of putting a bun on it, they decided to put a brick.
Speaker D:It just.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker D:It just weird to my ears.
Speaker A:I like the buzz guitar but I was wondering, you know more about music than I do.
Speaker A:Was there was.
Speaker A:There was this drummer off beat?
Speaker C:I. I believe so.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm going to.
Speaker C:Once you guys finish talking about I will share the, the graphic like the thumbnail for the, for the song title.
Speaker C:But anyway, go ahead, keep.
Speaker C:So, so what did you think, Nathan?
Speaker C:Did you like it?
Speaker C:Did you hate it?
Speaker A:I think I have a lot more tolerance for this type of music than, than our brother Todd here.
Speaker A:I, I.
Speaker A:Yes, that's right.
Speaker A:I think the reason why is because the pairing of the nasally shrill voices voice and the, and the really kind of buzzsaw, almost like mosquito sounding guitar really worked for me.
Speaker A:It was, it was very like complimentary but, but that type of like obnoxious like Flaming Lips style composition actually goes a long way with me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:So this is a taste issue, I think.
Speaker C:I, I spent $7 on this for Rock Band Todd.
Speaker C:I really wanted this song.
Speaker D:Has a different.
Speaker D:I say different taste.
Speaker D:He's got.
Speaker C:He like,.
Speaker D:Like independent artists that you've never heard before that has music.
Speaker C:Love it.
Speaker D:Sean likes that type of thing.
Speaker D:Not so much the Main street mainstream pop charts type thing.
Speaker D:He likes the stuff that's kind of oddball.
Speaker D:So I can see this in his repertoire.
Speaker C:But I wanted to cover this song.
Speaker D:It's just not.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's not something I would listen to.
Speaker D:It probably give me a headache if I listen to it like at full volume in a, you know, through a stereo.
Speaker C:But I, I'm curious and I want to put this to a vote so you guys can vote in our Discord Channel.
Speaker C:But Michael Pastor from New York, you hate the song.
Speaker C:I can tell.
Speaker C:I totally can tell.
Speaker C:I want to know why you hate the song, sir.
Speaker C:Okay, I'm going to share the name of the song in the chat so you can actually see the.
Speaker C:I know you're going to say pass.
Speaker C:Nathan, do you want to hear a little bit more of it?
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker C:Okay, let's listen to a little bit more because I don't get tired of the song.
Speaker A:Oh, I made a game with.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:See, but look at it.
Speaker C:See, I made a game with zombies in it.
Speaker C:I'm going to skip ahead a little.
Speaker A:Bit because it changes sat the trip hop beat.
Speaker A:I can dig it.
Speaker D:It's great.
Speaker A:I didn't know Daniel Johnson had this in him.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I give this song an eight plus I'm taking it.
Speaker C:So you got to go look for it now and whatever streaming services.
Speaker C:Okay, so there's a story behind this song.
Speaker C:So in the the wild west of Xbox360 time, I guess it was Xbox3 360 time, they opened up the the their platform to independent game creators.
Speaker C:You make a game, you can just put it Right on our network and you'll get paid.
Speaker C:Super simple, not complex.
Speaker C:They made the barriers for entry super easy.
Speaker C:If you made a game, you can put it on a network.
Speaker C:It was literally that easy.
Speaker C:So this guy, a guy, one guy said, decide I'm going to make a video game with zombies in it.
Speaker C:Because hey, zombies are popular.
Speaker C:So he made a video game.
Speaker C:It was a top down shooter and you could play a cooperative.
Speaker C:So you know, and it's just like, you know, you've got guns and then you pick up better guns and you can shoot the zombies.
Speaker C:Very simple, very straightforward.
Speaker C:The key though was the game was had a price tag of $1 on it.
Speaker C:Sylvie and I bought this game.
Speaker C:We're like, okay, it's this game with zombies in it.
Speaker C:It's a buck Now, Nathan, you don't know me that well, but Todd knows me, is there.
Speaker C:They released a video game that had zombies in it.
Speaker C:Sylvia and I go and buy it right away and we're gonna go play it.
Speaker C:It's just the nature of it.
Speaker C:Walking Dead, when it came out, we had already been reading the comic for, you know, several years before the comic even came out.
Speaker C:We're huge zombie nerds.
Speaker C:Resident Evil right now.
Speaker C:Just before we came online, we were playing Seven Days to Die, which is the best zombie game ever made.
Speaker C:Sylvie has been playing for 180 days on that game.
Speaker C:180 Days, not 180 hours.
Speaker C:180 Days we play.
Speaker C: playing since it came out in: Speaker A:And something I'm going to interject to suggest this is how I know you're not religious.
Speaker A:Because I, a religious person, can't handle zombies.
Speaker A:Too much life after death nonsense gets in my resurrection brain.
Speaker A:And so I, I, I don't like the vibe.
Speaker A:Knowing that I go to church around people who may or may not be alive.
Speaker A:And then I think, oh boy, am I one of them.
Speaker C:See, that's what it is.
Speaker C:It's my Roman Catholic upbringing that scares the out of me.
Speaker C:It's because I'm terrified.
Speaker A:Oh my gosh, the Catholic upbringing.
Speaker A:Never mind the fact that communion, which is linked to the resurrection, you're eating Christ's literal body in the host.
Speaker C:It's not lost on me at all.
Speaker A:Oh boy.
Speaker C:So, okay, so some of the lyrics of this song.
Speaker C:Yeah, welcome to my game.
Speaker C:I put zombies in it for your pain.
Speaker C:They come shambling out from the sides.
Speaker C:You'd better shoot them or you're going to die.
Speaker C:Because I made a game with zombies in it.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And then so he's literally describing.
Speaker C:So he goes, I made this game using X and xna, which is a graphics.
Speaker C:It costs a dollar and I hope you pay.
Speaker C:Yeah, just a dollar.
Speaker C:Oh, please pay.
Speaker C:Because I made a game with zombies in it.
Speaker C:So literally what happens is every time there's a different level of the game.
Speaker C:So he, so he said, you know what, I gotta have music in my game.
Speaker C:I could play a little bit guitar, I could program a drum machine.
Speaker C:So he decided to write all the music for the game.
Speaker C:So this is literally the music that plays in the game.
Speaker C:And then when we heard that section.
Speaker A:Shift,.
Speaker C:Whatever, kind of like more surfy stuff.
Speaker C:That's when the level, you get to level two.
Speaker C:On level two, the music changes, the whole background changes to the game.
Speaker C:And when you get to level three, the music changes again and it actually goes into a bit of edm.
Speaker C:So he's literally transcending style after style after style for each level of the game as the game progresses and gets harder.
Speaker C:So the song is written like a composer would, with movements.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:Yeah, I know, Todd.
Speaker C:It sounds trashy and kind of over processed or whatever, but it is a brilliant masterpiece.
Speaker A:And you know what else?
Speaker A:It's not AI like there's no, there's not even a hint or image of AI in there and there's not a whisper because AI would never do something that deliberately bad.
Speaker C:Yeah, Sylvie and I still play this freaking game because it's just a dollar game.
Speaker C:Did you.
Speaker C:You guys have both played Gauntlet, right?
Speaker C:Remember the arcade hit Gauntlet?
Speaker C:It's the same game, except instead of orcs and whatever, it's just waves of zombies coming in.
Speaker C:And then you get different shooty shooty weapons or whatever.
Speaker C:That's all it is.
Speaker C:There's nothing to it.
Speaker C:It's simple as hell.
Speaker C:But you know the fact that this guy said, I'm gonna make this for a dollar so people buy it.
Speaker C:He sold a million copies, or I don't know how many he sold, but he sold a lot.
Speaker A:And you got your dollars worth 10.
Speaker C:Times over, 100 times over.
Speaker C:So for just the fact that this guy did this, the fact how he did it, the fact that he did everything by himself with no help, it's amazing.
Speaker A:It's outsider art.
Speaker A:You just described what outsider art is.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is like when weaker than get together.
Speaker C:The music they made, there's no way in hell that was mainstream.
Speaker C:But somehow it became mainstream.
Speaker C:No, it didn't become mainstream.
Speaker C:People came to them.
Speaker A:Well, if you write left and leaving, then you should have People lined up inside your door wanting to talk to you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do a little bit of.
Speaker A:A little bit of bending the knee and then praising and worship.
Speaker A:Like you see Wayne's world, I'm not worthy style.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Because we.
Speaker C:We only did one song.
Speaker C:I want to do one more song.
Speaker C:At least one more song.
Speaker C:Can we do one more song, Nathan?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Okay, so we're gonna do I'm having.
Speaker A:The time of my life.
Speaker C:Okay, good, good, good.
Speaker C:Okay, so we're gonna do the F9 thing again and see what we get.
Speaker D:Oh, there we go.
Speaker C:Yeah, let's see.
Speaker C:Oh, oh.
Speaker C:It's pulling from the whole list.
Speaker C:I only want to.
Speaker C:No, one more.
Speaker C:It's pulling from the whole list.
Speaker C:I only want to pull from my pass or go.
Speaker C:Why is it failing there?
Speaker C:Okay, we're gonna go.
Speaker C:Let's go with.
Speaker C:There's certain songs I only want to play when we have a certain guest on because they actually picked the song on the list.
Speaker C:So let's go with.
Speaker C:Okay, we're gonna go with this one.
Speaker C:Okay, I've.
Speaker C:I, I, I picked one here.
Speaker C:Todd Vamp.
Speaker C:While I find this song.
Speaker A:Oh, I want to suck your blood.
Speaker D:Different vampire.
Speaker C:No, no, not vampire.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Just Vampire blur.
Speaker C:Now, I bought this album when it came out.
Speaker C:When it came out.
Speaker C:Well, not when it came out.
Speaker C:Several years after it came out.
Speaker C:And I just loved the hell out of it.
Speaker C:This guy's in the news a lot lately.
Speaker C:Yes, by extension.
Speaker C:So it's never about him, but it's about the band he is in.
Speaker D:He did a solo career after the.
Speaker C:Oh, he always had a solo career.
Speaker A:You see a member of mle crew.
Speaker C:Ah, God damn it.
Speaker C:Stop it.
Speaker C:You're supposed to guess after.
Speaker A:Get it right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:I'm good at these guessing games.
Speaker C:Okay, here we go.
Speaker D:You should play.
Speaker D:You should play Wordle.
Speaker C:Probably does.
Speaker C:Okay, I'm gonna play.
Speaker C:I, I have a thumbs up on this song.
Speaker C:I'm gonn.
Speaker B:Crack it.
Speaker A:Crack it,.
Speaker B:Crack it.
Speaker B:Crack, crack, crack.
Speaker B:Crank it.
Speaker B:Crank it, motherfucker.
Speaker B:Crank it.
Speaker B:Crick, crack, crick.
Speaker B:Crank it.
Speaker B:Crank it.
Speaker B:Crick, crick, crick.
Speaker B:Crank it.
Speaker C:Crank it.
Speaker A:I'm only asking you to pause because I'm not sure if I'm hearing it correctly.
Speaker A:Is it crank it or cricket?
Speaker C:Crank it, crank it.
Speaker A:Okay, because cricket was a more interesting choice.
Speaker C:No, I, I think I like cricket better.
Speaker D:Yeah, I heard cricket.
Speaker C:Cricket.
Speaker D:I didn't know what.
Speaker D:What does that have to do with anything?
Speaker D:So, yes, like water polo.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So I used to work.
Speaker A:My first job was at A radio station.
Speaker A:A country music radio station.
Speaker C:I'm sorry.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And every now and then, because the.
Speaker A:The radio station the building was in front of, it was right next to a huge empty field, and you'd get crickets in the studio.
Speaker A:And so every now and then, I'd be talking on the radio, and I'd hear a cricket sound.
Speaker C:Are you serious?
Speaker A:This is no joke.
Speaker A:And I thought, well, it's because my jokes were that bad that, like, there's some computer programs.
Speaker C:That's absolutely hilarious.
Speaker A:And then you'd have to go, like, part of my job was to walk around with a fly swatter and try and find the cricket in the studio, because you couldn't have the cricket there in the morning.
Speaker A:I worked in the evenings.
Speaker A:We had very few listeners in the evenings.
Speaker A:But the morning show was the big deal.
Speaker A:That was why the town.
Speaker A:Everyone in town would listen to this show.
Speaker A:You couldn't have a cricket playing screeching in the background during the morning show.
Speaker A:So if I let one live, they would let me know that I wasn't doing much of killing crickets.
Speaker A:So the reason I'm saying this is could be a meta commentary where they're talking about crickets within a song that is, like, deliberately obnoxious.
Speaker A:Because I'm telling you what, I have so much more to space in my heart and soul for the first song, you played with the zombie game than I do for the second song.
Speaker A:Like, that kind of grates on me that the discordant guitar sound with the artificial drum sound was really, like.
Speaker A:That was grading my nerves.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:What's your.
Speaker C:Your take, Todd?
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker D:I actually enjoyed it because it had a BPM where I could kind of bounce my head back and forth and.
Speaker C:Go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Type of thing where the other one was kind of like, when the beat came on, it was like, what are you doing?
Speaker D:It's like.
Speaker D:It's not even like jazz.
Speaker D:I mean, jazz has got a, you know, thing going on, but.
Speaker D:But whatever it was, it was, like, totally discombobled.
Speaker D:But this one here song just seemed to be your typical.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:It's got so many beats per.
Speaker D:Per minute type of thing, and it's going.
Speaker D:And you can bop your head to it.
Speaker D:And that was kind of the.
Speaker D:The thing.
Speaker D:Like, the cricket thing was kind of an odd, Odd lyric.
Speaker D:It's like, okay, well, we're gonna do the music, and we're just gonna put this sound sample of a girl saying cricket.
Speaker A:Well, and we had the monda green of whether it was cricket or Crank it.
Speaker A:So she didn't even articulate.
Speaker C:Yeah, the way she said it too.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So just to be clear.
Speaker C:So his albums, John five's albums that he does are instrumental with sound clips.
Speaker C:There's no singing.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker C:Yeah, John 5.
Speaker C:There's no.
Speaker D:Who's that?
Speaker C:Well, do we want to go into this?
Speaker C:John 5 is one of the most proficient instruments in the history of mankind.
Speaker C:So he started his career.
Speaker C:Let's see.
Speaker C:Let's.
Speaker C:I'm trying to find.
Speaker D:So when you said.
Speaker D:When you see Motley Crew, did that have anything to do with it?
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker C:This is way before Motley Crue.
Speaker C:So he's the current guitar player.
Speaker C:Motley Crue.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker C:So only.
Speaker C:So in Motley Crue, only two people are good at their instruments, and that's Tommy Lee and John 5, currently, which is Nikki 6.
Speaker C:Nikki 6 doesn't play.
Speaker C:It's all backing tracks.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:Well, Vince, he tries.
Speaker C:I guess he tries eating a hoagie or whatever the hell.
Speaker C:Okay, so.
Speaker C:So John 5 started out.
Speaker C:I don't know if he's done a lot of stuff.
Speaker C:So he's played with Rob Halford.
Speaker C:He's played with.
Speaker C:He had.
Speaker C:He did some work with Trent Reznor.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker C:He was the long standing guitarist for Marilyn Manson.
Speaker C:He was the long standing guitarist for K.D.
Speaker C:Lang.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:For a long time.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And he also was the guitarist on the David Lee Roth album called DLR Band.
Speaker C:And also all the recent Roth.
Speaker C:David Lee Roth releases over the last 20 years.
Speaker C:They were all taken from the second album that John had done with Dave.
Speaker C:They're all like, he's the main guy.
Speaker C:He's got.
Speaker C:Who else has he played with?
Speaker C:He played with a band called Loser.
Speaker C:He was part of the Fantastic Four soundtrack.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:My kids love that soundtrack.
Speaker C:He was also working with Rob Zombie, but I don't think that actually ever happened.
Speaker C:It was supposed to happen, but I don't think it did.
Speaker A:There was a real Rob Zombie vibe to that song.
Speaker C:Oh, hell yeah.
Speaker A:Before I heard the woman's sample, Cricket, I was thinking, this sounds like Rob Zombie.
Speaker C:Now he can.
Speaker C:He can play every.
Speaker C:He has every Eddie Van Halen like memorized.
Speaker C:He can play anything.
Speaker C:The entire catalog with Drop of a Hat.
Speaker C:Same thing with the entire Kiss catalog.
Speaker C:Drop of a Hat.
Speaker C:Same thing with the Motley Crue cat, this guy.
Speaker C:But he can also play all the Kiddie Lang stuff.
Speaker C:There's another track on here.
Speaker C:I'm just going to play it for a second here.
Speaker A:I'm just imagining him back in constant craven.
Speaker C:Yeah, but he can play every style of music.
Speaker C:He's not a one dimensional player.
Speaker C:I think this is the, the country one.
Speaker C:But let's just give it a shot.
Speaker C:Okay, Todd, how hard is that?
Speaker C:3 Freaking play on guitar.
Speaker D:That would be hard.
Speaker D:I can't.
Speaker D:That's all that chicken picking stuff.
Speaker D:I can't do that.
Speaker C:So he was a chicken pick.
Speaker A:Sounds like Ween's album.
Speaker A:Remember Wiens?
Speaker A:Oh, country album.
Speaker C:12 Greatest.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's one of the greatest albums of all time.
Speaker B:My dinner's all over fire While she.
Speaker C:Watches TV and if you ever wondered what it's like to be me she.
Speaker B:Takes all my money and leaves me no smokes Yells at my buddies and insults my folks I'm breaking my back.
Speaker C:Doing the best that I can Todd didn't like it when he played it on Pass or Go before.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker D:Which one?
Speaker C:Oh, a different one when we played Wean the band.
Speaker D:Wean.
Speaker D:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:But this guy, this guy's really talented.
Speaker C:And for me, and this is just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Speaker C:People can disagree.
Speaker C:But him being in Motley Crue is such a waste.
Speaker C:And he's going to be in Motley Crue.
Speaker C:It'll be like a ten year thing.
Speaker C:But he could be doing his solo albums.
Speaker C:He could be working with anybody else.
Speaker D:Hey, Motley Crue is a big name.
Speaker D:Big money.
Speaker C:I mean, he's making money.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Paying the bills, you know, paying for the wife and kids, you know.
Speaker D:And, and when, if he does, if and when, I'm sure he'll have a bit of a nest egg where if he wants to do his recordings, he'll have the money to be able to do it.
Speaker D:Just kind of a means to an end, I guess.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I will say, when Motley Crue came to Winnipeg, I did consider it for a moment because John 5 but because of the opening bands.
Speaker C:So I, I don't know, it was like one of those.
Speaker C:But I would just, I don't know, I, I.
Speaker C:There's a whole backing track thing which we've brought up.
Speaker C:We are going to have a whole backing track episode coming up in two weeks.
Speaker C:I got a lot to say about backing tracks.
Speaker C:I can't spoil it.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:I've been doing research, Todd.
Speaker C:I've been doing homework.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:You know, when you said backing track, I heard back masking.
Speaker A:I was like, you're gonna do an episode about the backward part.
Speaker A:Satan speaks to you.
Speaker C:That is worthwhile.
Speaker C:We should do that.
Speaker A:That's just a free idea.
Speaker A:I'm listening to that episode.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, that would be interesting.
Speaker C:I think Jared could the devil, I think, with his whole whole shtick.
Speaker D:I mean, we could probably take some Van Halen songs or something and play them backwards and see what we can hear and what we can't.
Speaker A:There's actually a portion of I was listening to Purple Rain the other day.
Speaker A:There's a little section, I think it's at the end of Computer Blue, where Prince put back masking at the very end of the song.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know what he said.
Speaker A:I didn't look it up, but I was like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker A: Princess back masking in: Speaker C:I, I, I could do a whole, we could do a whole episode on Prince.
Speaker C:That wouldn't be hard.
Speaker A:If you, if you need a guest.
Speaker A:This is the white guy from Southern Marito who wants to talk about who.
Speaker C:Knows all Minneapolis sound.
Speaker C:Oh, I, I've been listening to Purple Rain non stop.
Speaker C:I found my old Todd, Did I tell you this?
Speaker C:I found my old ipod.
Speaker D:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Which I called my, my, my sports car.
Speaker C:It was my red sports car.
Speaker C:I received it as a. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So you get the reference.
Speaker C:So I got it as a gift, and it was at the time considered an expensive gift.
Speaker C:Those things were not cheap in the day.
Speaker C:But I got one and it's like, well, it was the best gift that the person I was with at the time could get me within a budget.
Speaker C:But it was still, it was a big gift, right?
Speaker C:So I still have it and I've dug it out and I plug it in.
Speaker C:I have a USB in my car.
Speaker C:I plug it in and whatever music we had on there 15 years ago is all still on there.
Speaker C:And I just hit random and it just plays.
Speaker C:So there's lots of.
Speaker C:There's only one Prince album, but I wanted to do two.
Speaker C:But I've been listening to Purple Rain a lot, so it's so, so here's.
Speaker C:So it's Purple Rain, Tool, Mastodon, Shakespeare Sister.
Speaker C:I don't know if anybody knows who that is.
Speaker C:Colin Hay, the guy.
Speaker C:The singer for Men at Work.
Speaker C:And then I have the Shot's greatest hits.
Speaker C:So those are the main ones that keep popping up.
Speaker A:Our musical tastes almost entirely aligned, like, with one exception.
Speaker A:I don't know Shakespeare's Sister.
Speaker A:But every other album.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Oh, go, go, go do it.
Speaker C:And then you'll never come back.
Speaker C:Especially the shot A. Oh, yeah, I love Sade.
Speaker C:I'm working on a Sade cover right now.
Speaker D:I found mine My ipod.
Speaker C:Did you.
Speaker A:You had one?
Speaker D:There was, there was an ipod and then I had the one previous to that.
Speaker D:It was like it was made by just.
Speaker C:I didn't know, like Sony or Sanyo.
Speaker D:No, not even Sony.
Speaker D:It was some aftermarket thing.
Speaker D:This was like when ipods came out.
Speaker D:But it was like, well if you can't afford an ipod, we'll get you this MP3 player which is some non brand.
Speaker D:Actually I had that and I charged it up one day and I was listening to music.
Speaker D:Oh my God, I haven't listened to this since.
Speaker C:Did you plug it into your car?
Speaker D:No, not the car.
Speaker C:Just put it in your car in its glory.
Speaker D:Yeah, one of these days I've got.
Speaker D:Yeah, I've got an ipod and that and yeah, I'll have to do that one of these days for sure.
Speaker C:And I, I keep debating like, like if you find it, is it worth hooking it up to your computer and taking songs out and putting songs in or to leave it as it is, as the relic for that time of when you had it?
Speaker D:It's a time capsule.
Speaker A:You're now a museum curator.
Speaker A:Don't touch it.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I don't got a hard drive.
Speaker D:A terabyte hard drive that I got from a guy who downloaded all his onto it and it was like oh my God, the music.
Speaker D:And this was back when you know it's decently sounding.
Speaker D:It's not like when you enlist to these, these online ones where you kind of lose the fidelity a bit.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So they're either WMAS or, or Flax.
Speaker A:Or pre auto tune era or is it post auto tune era.
Speaker D:Will be pretty.
Speaker A:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker D:Yeah, these are older.
Speaker D:Yeah, this is, this is before share, before Cher came out with her auto.
Speaker A:Before I believed in life after love.
Speaker C:Yeah, that changed everything.
Speaker C:So what, so what.
Speaker C:What I was going to say was big.
Speaker C:I've been listening to it and I've been singing along and I'm trying to.
Speaker C:I've been singing again because I kind of took time off when I had the kids to just.
Speaker C:We dropped the band.
Speaker C:Todd still plays but I'm like, I can't do this anymore.
Speaker C:Time wise when you have kids it's hard to go out till 3 or 4 in the morning and perform live.
Speaker C:So anyway, so I backed off of that but I've been singing again and I've been recording some stuff and I'm like.
Speaker C:I've been going through the Purple Rain album to try to see which of those songs can I pull off and I can Pull off any of them, which is, like, awesome.
Speaker C:I mean, am I good at it?
Speaker C:Well, you'd all probably say I suck, but I sound great in my car when I'm singing along to Prince.
Speaker A:Let me tell you, I would love to hear your.
Speaker A:Your rendition of Darling Mickey.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, Darling.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, for sure.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But I was singing all.
Speaker C:And I was listening to a lot of different versions of Purple Rain that he's done live.
Speaker C:And just how great that song is as.
Speaker C:I mean, the whole album.
Speaker C:I like Take Me with you.
Speaker C:I really like Take Me with you, Computer Blue.
Speaker C:I. I love.
Speaker C:I like the.
Speaker C:Like the.
Speaker C:The B sides or the deep tracks even more.
Speaker C:I don't listen to let's Go Crazier or Doves Cry.
Speaker C:I tend to listen to the other ones, like Baby, I'm a Star.
Speaker C:Love that song.
Speaker C:Because he has that really high range in that one.
Speaker C:It's almost like they sped up the tape to get him to sing at that.
Speaker C:At that level.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But I want to do.
Speaker C:I want to do.
Speaker C:I want to talk.
Speaker C:Todd has no interest in this, I'm sure.
Speaker C:But I wanted to do.
Speaker C:To talk about Purple Rain.
Speaker C:I wanted to talk about diamonds.
Speaker A:Oh, diamonds and pearls.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I want to talk about the Love Symbol album.
Speaker C:Those are the three in my catalog that I kept going back to over and over.
Speaker C:And the Batman soundtrack, but I don't know if I'd put that in there.
Speaker C:But those are like the four albums that I just play endlessly.
Speaker C:I don't listen to the greatest hits.
Speaker C:I don't want the greatest hits.
Speaker C:I want those four albums.
Speaker C:Those are like my prints.
Speaker A:The Love Symbol album, I think is the one of his.
Speaker A:I pick where I deserted on a desert island only because of its variability.
Speaker C:Oh, it's all over the place.
Speaker A:It's like a mixtape of greatest hits.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he collected it for many recordings.
Speaker A:But like that song, you listen to the song, the Cross from that album.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, what the heck is this song doing here?
Speaker A:It's in the guitar.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because in.
Speaker C:In those albums, there's more of his guitar work which people forgot.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:He's a fantastic guitar player.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I always knew he was, but kind of people didn't really think about it because they're like.
Speaker C:A lot of stuff is very synthy, synth driven or whatever.
Speaker C:But I mean, he shredded on Purple Rain, but then he would shred.
Speaker C:He would have great solos on other.
Speaker C:Excuse me.
Speaker B:On.
Speaker C:On other albums that were great.
Speaker C:But I think the.
Speaker C:The Cymbal album and Diamonds and Pearls There's a lot of great moments on.
Speaker C:On those.
Speaker C:Those three.
Speaker C:And I love the Batman soundtrack.
Speaker A:I can't tell you the number of times I sing these in the temple while showering.
Speaker C:Oh, sure, yeah.
Speaker C:Why not?
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's great.
Speaker C:So anyway, so we should cap it off there.
Speaker C:I just realized how long we've been going.
Speaker C:My counter says one hour and 52 minutes, which is our way over our one hour limit.
Speaker C:But I don't.
Speaker C:I don't care, Todd, who runs this show?
Speaker C:We do.
Speaker D:We do.
Speaker C:We make the rules.
Speaker C:If you don't like it, go listen to and the podcast will rock.
Speaker C:That's what I say.
Speaker C:All right, so we're going to cap it off here.
Speaker C:Nathan, tell us where to find you.
Speaker C:Yeah, this is fun.
Speaker A:You can find me.
Speaker A:I wish I had a website, but I'm not big enough or meaningful enough to have.
Speaker C:You know what people use?
Speaker C:Facebook it is.
Speaker A:Yeah, I'm on Facebook, but you can find me on Blue sky at Nathan Do.
Speaker A:I'm on Instagram and Nathan Duick.
Speaker A:I occasionally will log into what is formerly known as Twitter, but only for the baseball takes, not for the white supremacy.
Speaker A:Yeah, my book that.
Speaker A:My.
Speaker A:My most recent book is now available at.
Speaker A:If you're in Winnipeg, you can go find it at McNally Robinson.
Speaker C:So when are you coming back to Winnipeg?
Speaker C:So you can sign the copy that I go by?
Speaker A:Oh, boy, do I ever want to sign that.
Speaker A:I will be back within the next 365 days, guaranteed.
Speaker A:Because I need to go home to drink water and breathe the air.
Speaker C:Yeah, you do.
Speaker A:But I don't know if it's going to be anytime soon.
Speaker A:I'm really, really hoping that there will be an event.
Speaker A:I'd love to read from the book and chat with folks.
Speaker C:Why don't you do it at McNally, contact them, set it up for when you are here and then I'm actually.
Speaker A:I'm already speaking to their social media people because every time they heart a post, I feel my heart skip a beat since this is the most important store in my childhood.
Speaker A:And I'm so grateful that I get.
Speaker A:If you need some type of relationship in my adulthood, I.
Speaker C:Our show works with them.
Speaker C:So if you need a little bit of oomph, let me know when you get closer to that date.
Speaker A:And if.
Speaker A:And if you're.
Speaker A:If you're nasty, you can purchase the book on Amazon or Chapters, but I.
Speaker C:With alternate covers.
Speaker C:There'll be random actors from Hallmark movies on the COVID of your book.
Speaker A:There's going to be A gold embossed cover.
Speaker A:There's going to be like.
Speaker A:What are they called when they had the.
Speaker A:The bumpy covers?
Speaker C:The raised covers.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Embossed.
Speaker C:I think it was in Boston.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And there's going to be a centerfold,.
Speaker C:Or you can have a foil cover like the comics would always do.
Speaker C:Release 12 different versions of the same issue with different foil covers.
Speaker C:One by James Campbell.
Speaker A:Usually I'm gonna have one in a plastic bag with, like, a black armband.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Yeah, I like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're just gonna.
Speaker A:We're just gonna market that the heck out of this.
Speaker C:You gotta have a Rob Liefeld cover as well.
Speaker C:With no fingers.
Speaker A:Those feet.
Speaker A:Because he never drew feet.
Speaker C:He never drew feet.
Speaker A:So there's the Rob Liefeld.
Speaker A:I'm wearing Levi's jeans because he did.
Speaker C:A really cool ad with lots of pockets.
Speaker A:Lots of pockets, absolutely.
Speaker A:For all of my things.
Speaker C:Cargo.
Speaker C:I'm a cargo pant guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I have bandoliers, so you know what?
Speaker C:He would draw me with a heaving bosom.
Speaker C:You know, he would draw tall with a heaving bosom.
Speaker A:Well, his.
Speaker A:His Captain America is legendary for his.
Speaker C:Hem, and so he's got, like, a 65 chest.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So if you want to find me, I want to be found.
Speaker A:I would dearly love for you to read my silly book and then tell me how much you didn't enjoy it.
Speaker A:I'm a disappointment to you and all of your family.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker C:I love it.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker C:When you're in town, just when you're in, you just message me.
Speaker C:I'll.
Speaker B:I'll.
Speaker C:I'll.
Speaker B:I'll.
Speaker C:I'll try to find you on Facebook or whatever.
Speaker C:You're on Facebook?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, we'll just.
Speaker C:It's easier to chat on there through messenger or whatever else.
Speaker A: I was born in: Speaker C:Okay, awesome.
Speaker D:Same.
Speaker C:Here we are.
Speaker C:Because our fans are older, so.
Speaker C:But they hated every single song we played tonight, so thank you for reminding me how irrelevant the music I like is.
Speaker C:All my.
Speaker C:All our fans.
Speaker C:I appreciate that.
Speaker C:And you can all side with Todd because he is more handsome and he has the sex.
Speaker C:Your radio voice.
Speaker C:So, Nathan, I think you're probably in the same category.
Speaker C:We're not as cool as Todd, but, you know, we can always try.
Speaker A:I was actually intimidated just by looking at his.
Speaker A:His image here on Zoom.
Speaker A:I don't know if I can talk to him.
Speaker C:Todd, what.
Speaker C:What's your.
Speaker C:What's your code word?
Speaker C:What's what?
Speaker C:What do you always say the.
Speaker C:The sexy word that you always use.
Speaker C:Desire.
Speaker A:Oh, there it is right there.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We have no chance in hell.
Speaker A:My toes involuntarily curled.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker C:Okay, well, thanks, Nathan.
Speaker C:I'm gonna hit off on all the recording devices here, and then we'll do a sign off here.
Speaker B:All right, thank you for listening, and we'll see you next week, and bye.
Speaker B:Have a good day.
